New here, would like to say hello.

by puff candy 32 Replies latest jw friends

  • Joyzabel
    Joyzabel
    My Mother loves her religion and her husband more than me

    exactly!

    You also mentioned feeling manipulated. Good pick-up.

    I recommend you get Steve Hassen's books on "Combatting Mind Control"

    Also if you want amunition against the WTBTs read Ray Franz's books, "Crisis of Conscience" "In Search of Christian Freedom". Jim Penton makes a nice summary of the JW history in "Apcolypse Delayed"

    When you realize you allow her to fill your head with depressing thoughts and you

    have the power to counter that BS, then maybe you be free of her silliness. Unfortunately, we cannot make our parents the nurturing people they are suppose to be. But you can nuture yourself and deal with reality not fantacy.

    Welcome to the board.

    Joy

  • squinks
    squinks

    Hi Puff-Welcome!!!

    You have already shown great strength to resist that awful religion when you were only 16. But I'm sure you need the occasional "transfusion" of courage in order to cope. We all do.

    The Witnesses of course are so very manipulative and will cheerfully resort to lying in order to get what they want. They call it "theocratic warfare." Read up about it and you will see.

    They are cruel, intolerant and self-righteous. Oh and did I mention hypocrites? Spend time here you will learn and be strong.

    A word about guilt trips: they are very destructive and cause pain so refuse to listen to guilt trips. Insist on logic and reason, that shuts them up every time.

    I don't want to live in paradise without you is a classic example, and obviously a load of kaka, because that is obviously what she intends to do or she wouldn't stay in the religion.

    Try telling her that you "don't want to die at Armageddon without her" so couldn't she at least try to spend 1/2 hour a day reading apostate literature?

  • Cicatrix
    Cicatrix

    Welcome Puff Candy!
    If you go into "search" (it's in the blue letters at the top of the board), you can find lots of information in the archives by just typing in a key word.

    Your instincts are correct regarding your mother. She belongs to a legalistic, high control religion. For more information on high control religions, check out the search mentioned above. Also, read the books the folks here suggest. Most find them to be very helpful.

    A great book that I've been reading that compares a legalistic system to a grace-based system of Christianity is "The Grace Awakening" by Charles R. Swindoll. I highly recomend it if you are looking for something to help you understand legalism from a Christian perspective.

    Regards,

    Cicatrix

  • Nancy Drake
    Nancy Drake

    Welcome!

  • JustTickledPink
    JustTickledPink

    Welcome! I am also 30 and have a mother that refuses to speak to me, and I just recently got married and she refused to come. You will find a lot of people here that are in the same boat.

    About your wedding, make a day of celebration that is all about love and happiness. If your mother came she would preach about the JW's and would bring a lot of negativeness with her. Invite your friends and family that are supportive and have fun. We had a wonderful wedding and I'm happy how it all turned out.

    It does get easier with time, I tend to view my mother as an addict, much like an alcoholic or a druggie, we can't have a normal relationship because she is addicted to the religion. I hope in time you resolve your feelings and are able to get some peace.

  • Carmel
    Carmel

    Welcome to another PC! We could use some sweetening up around here! Pcandy, glad to see you found the forum. hope you will gain some insight into the coersive methods of the WTBTS. Sounds like your mother is a perfect fit for them. Already using the usual tactics of guilt and manipulation on family. If they only could see how truth need not resort to such tactics they would see that it is not "truth".

    cheers,

    carmel

  • kj
    kj

    Welcome Puff Candy! I'm sorry about your mom, I know how you feel. My mom is a JW, too, and I never was and NEVER WILL BE. My mom still has a lot of loyalty towards her non-JW family, though, so I feel very fortunate. You will learn a lot here, and hopefully it will help you not to be manipulated. Who knows, maybe you'll even be able to give her some food for thought that may help her leave.

    kj

  • Balsam
    Balsam

    Your Mother and her husband are both brainwashed not to think for themselves. It is the way with 90% of the active JW's.

    You can say to your Mom "I appreciate your in love with this religion of yours, but I am not and won't be. I want to have a good relationship with you and your husband, but you need to stop preaching to me. Save it for those willing to listen. Mom I am not a JW and never have been, and don't agree with the shunning policy of disfellowshipping. So let it drop ok. We can talk about anything else'.

    Just a suggestion to see if that will cause her to stop preaching. When you hear her talking about the religion, kindly reminder that you are not interested in her religious preaching. Always reassure you love her no matter what and hopes she feels the same way about you.

    Welcome to the boards,

    Balsam

  • Davin
    Davin

    Hey Puff Candy. I'm new here, too, and have been spending a little time reading the different posts, and I hope you can find something that can help you. I was born a witness and was out by the time I was 16 and I got my mom to leave with me about a year later. My brother had left about five years earlier and it was devastating to her, so it's a pretty tall hill to get anyone to leave without someone leaving with them because I think they fear the fact that they will lose pretty much everything and EVERYBODY in their life. I know that you are a very important somebody, but when you're talking about turning your back on something that has been her entire life (faith, social net, daily routine) for the past 14 years, it's a tall order. My mom @ first wanted me to go back to the meetings and I agreed to go to one more meeting if she agreed to listen to everything the speaker was saying and tell me she could honestly believe that everything he said settled with her - after the meeting we went out to our car and she looked at me and said she didn't really feel like she agreed with everything but she was scared to leave her faith because she didn't know if she could find another faith again. Where was truth if she couldn't find it with the Truth? She eventually has found happiness, but it's been a pretty long, hard road for her, so be aware of that too. I truly wish the best for you and your mother, one of the things that drove me away from the witnesses was the way they told me to beware of how much time I spent with family members that weren't witnesses, and considering some of the best, kindest people I had ever known were NOT witnesses, I couldn't swallow any of it anymore. I hope your mom can see the same thing someday, or at least find a balance between her faith and her love for her family. It's a tall order, but maybe there is a way. Good luck.

  • gypsywildone
    gypsywildone

    I know what you mean about having a mother one day, & a watchtower spewing robot the next. Same thing happened to me when I was around 13, & she has been lost ever since. Absolutely mentally smoked.

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