Is it right for Man to rule Man?

by ko38 21 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  ko38

  Hello once again to those that were helpful to me in my time of leaving the wbts.i said i wouldnt post for a while,but it turns out Ive learned a lot in the past 2 weeks.So here goes with my shot of seeing if im adjusting according to schedule.

  in my search of my own christian freedom i have found myself led down a path that is a simple one.that being the path of Acceptance.The acceptance of my own sinful nature and that of others.Im not saying that it is coming easy,I am only saying that I see the need.

  IMHO when looking for salvation i myself feel that it is not to us to judge.Several of US agree on that.BUT THAT IS NOT EASY FOR US TO DO AS HUMANS,I was looking for someone or something to replace the wbts but after some personal study of the scriptures and some help from all the links and archives here I have come to a point of humility.

  In all things in this world the one thing we want most is love.What does that mean? Some may say it means the love of a spouse or the love recieved from your children etc...I know being both a married man with a wife that loves me and I her that those bonds are strong and bring comfort.my children for both myself and my wife bring a sense of joy to our hearts and we love them.

  I THINK I MIGHT BE at least on the right track when i feel love for those other than my family.The story about the good Sammaritan is a very good example.To be loving to those who otherwise do not have your best interest at heart is the challenge that Jesus christ has set before us.

  This is more directed towards new ones out of the grip of the watchtower bible and tract societys dogmatic and unsupported claims to be the only channel to salvation.Which upon minimal searching of the truth is proved both false and misleading.

  Jehovahs witnesses find it difficult to realise that their salvation is in jesus.Most often only mentioning him as we pray through or in his name

  I wonder at least for myself, if God isnt trying his hardest to wait until we see how simple salvation really is.He has given us a way to be forgiven and so many choose not to make FULL USE OF IT.when all it may have very well taken was a belief in jesus and a turning around of our sins.

  WOW,that sure beats the things we all for the most part have gone through with the jws.to be bitter is not a loving course,because most are bitter with GOD after coming out of an oppresive cult as the jws.God nor Jesus told us to do this it was our fault and Satans.Why not have the love for God once again and believe in the ransom that Jesus paid.

  Mans religion will always lead to sorrow Lets please all have the hope and love of the savior our LORD JESUS CHRIST..........KEN
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  upside/down

  In Reply to your quesion...

  Show me one example where men have ruled men and been happy!

  No it's not right!

  Now women ruling men- that's another story (sarc/lol)

  U/D
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  Golf

  "Do not put your trust in nobles, Nor in the sons of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs, his spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts do perish." Ps. 146:3,4.
  
  Were are all these great WT speakers gone? All is vanity.
  
  
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  frenchbabyface

  "Do not put your trust in nobles, Nor in the sons of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs, his spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts do perish." Ps. 146:3,4.

  We don't have the choice about being ruled by humans ... but we have the choice about how tor them to meet our requirements ... (I mean a leader needs followers ... what if you don't want to follow ?)

  Human like to divide to rule, lets divides the rullers in being a little more united !
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  ColdRedRain

  Or you can try to form your own country and found it on libertarian principals, get really prosperous, and in the end, sell out your original ideals and become a nation of excessive rules and laws.

  Oh, wait, it's been tried before.
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  avishai

  I THINK I MIGHT BE at least on the right track when i feel love for those other than my family.The story about the good Sammaritan is a very good example.To be loving to those who otherwise do not have your best interest at heart is the challenge that Jesus christ has set before us.

  Yep. Especially when you realize that the Samaritans were considered apostates. They were (and are, though small) a sect of judaism. Jesus gave the example of AN APOSTATE helping a jew. What does that tell you?

  because most are bitter with GOD after coming out of an oppresive cult as the jws

  Have to disagree. Some of us, maybe, but not most.
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  Satanus

  You may have discovered that as humans we are both spirit and animal. While the spirit part doesn't seek to rule, the animal part in one in 22 humans does. That is, as somebody here posted, it has been found that one in 22 guys is a leader. These people naturally become leaders, often rulers. Whether it is right or not is the wrong question, imo. It is our nature as humans, for most of us to follow. Followers need rulers. You, for instance are a follower, aren't you?

  S

  Ps, it's ok if you are still following the stuff passed down to you. My point is to realise that that is what it is.
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  dh

  Is it right for anyone to rule anything by force or threat of death? Whether it's a God ruling men or men ruling men, it makes no difference who is ruling if it is against the will of those who are ruled over.

  I think 'right & wrong' in the context of men ruling men is just a typical JW spin off type idea because JW's teach that men are incapable of ruling men... When we all know that men who ruled men have navigated our history to bring us here, by way of the order of rulers and ruled. Albeit not perfect, so what. People need to snap out of la la land and realise this is the real world and it isn't perfect and it never has been and never will be, good or bad, right or wrong, this is the way it is, men will continue to rule men, and women as we know, will continue to do dishes.

  The real question is... is it right for Men to rule Women... LOL
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  frenchbabyface

  dh !!!

  It is our nature as humans, for most of us to follow. Followers need rulers. You, for instance are a follower, aren't you?

  Yes the question is what do we follow ? (alone and all together as a majority ... it makes the big difference)

  People want to believe in God no matter what but not in logical solution ... Is it because of GOD or WHAT ?
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  ko38

  Sat anus, To be a leader in lets say sports,one would need knowlege and great talent as well as a desire and ability to help and teach others.this analogy applies to many endeavors wouldnt you agree?some lead and some follow that is true,some lead in acadamia some phsyical things.

  I myself have been what you may call a leader for most of my life.im a salesman mostly in windows and siding for peoples homes.I show up at someones house after our phone room has called them to give them a free estimate.

  90% of the people i visit with have no intention of buying on the same day that i come out to see them.However in about 2 hours time i manage to persuade through facts and figures and good ole charm 60% of the people i see to go ahead and buy the same day im there and give ME a total stranger a downpayment always in the thousands sometimes tens of thousands.

  i have hired and trained and managed hundreds of sales reps in my career.So yes perhaps in that way i am a leader.however i see many leader type people in the wtbts and they are not elders or etc.Most all of those believe what they are being taught and have respect for those doing the teaching.So i guess leaders can be followers as well.

  Especially can someone be a follower of a belief,(which i feel is what your real reference was to)when thats all theyve ever known as was my case from age 5 on up.Leaders can be made to be followers through environment brainwashing,indoctrination at a young age as well as by their own choice if the new idea is embraced and suitable emotion is involved ie WE CAN MAKE YOU LIVE FOREVER.

  So really to be a leader or a follower is relative to the circumstances.Do i wish i had someone to Give me all the answers?You bet.Is there anyone on this earth that has all the answers ?I DONT THINK SO.

  My reason for my post was not to preach,but rather to maybe help those that think a human can save them find out that no man will/or woman.all i could hope for is that the 1 perfect person on earth a long time ago will not forget me and guide my life through an example left for me and us . Bless you.