Pathetic

by peggy 31 Replies latest jw friends

  • Winston Smith :>D
    Winston Smith :>D

    Anger, judgement, torment, never feels good, no matter how justified one feels in displaying it. Finding a safe and new way of life will not involve this kind of behavior. Torment from the "world" or torment from the "friends".....it all feels the same. Bad.

    Peggy

    Thanks Peggy for reminding us how it feels when one is just beginning to discover life outside of the JW's. I think sometimes we who have been out for a while forget how 'scary' the outside world can be, and IMHO, we should be conscious to make this place a safe haven for new ones. Making you and other new ones here feel at ease discussing JW "taboo" topics is very important IMHO.

    I remember how scared I was first signing up here as a member. And yes, some posts here at first put me off. But eventually I discovered that many of us are in the same boat and deal with the pain of our past lives in a different manner. Eventually most of us work through it, and with time, the harsh edges wear off.

    Best wishes to you and hopes that you stick around.

  • confusedjw
    confusedjw

    Good points Peg.

    People feel wounded and angry and it comes out sometimes.

    It may be part of the greiving/healing process of leaving the religion, I don't know.

  • funkyderek
    funkyderek

    peggy:

    People are people. I don't expect perfection, it will never come! I expect compassion for all walks of life. That made me different in the truth, as I was expected to hate the world and the poor unfortunate souls in it. Outside of the truth, am I expected to hate the witnesses? I won't and I don't. I want peace. Peace amongst men/women. Live and let live.

    Well said, and welcome to the board.

    I don't hate the JWs but I hate the way my father doesn't get to see his grandchildren, I hate the way I didn't have a career plan because I thought I wouldn't need one, I hate the way my mother has wasted thirty years of her life, I hate the way she's always going to be disappointed in me, I hate knowing that the struggles and sacrifices we made - and the ridicule we endured - were all for nothing, I hate the way I have no idea what to do on holidays, I hate the way my friends and family have been treated by the people who said they'd love them forever, I hate the way I always felt guilty when I did nothing wrong, but most of all, I hate that this is still happening - again and again and again - to more innocent people.

    That is why we fight the Watchtower - because it divides families and destroys lives and we have had enough.

  • lonelysheep
    lonelysheep

    Welcome, Peggy!

    I can't say anything that hasn't already been said so eliquently by the other posters here.

    Healing is what we're all doing, and I hope you'll continue to post here.

    Funkyderek's post sums up how I feel (and others, although I don't have to go through all of it).

    That is why we fight the Watchtower - because it divides families and destroys lives and we have had enough.
  • Panda
    Panda

    Peggy, (I love that name because my favorite cousin is named Peggy AND my best friends daughter is named Peggy) Anyway you spoke from your heart and I for one appreciate that kind of talk. Maybe we get out of hand sometimes but of course that usually has to do with whatever our experiences were as JWs. Sometimes I think the levity at anothers expense is because we just cannot believe that we were ever there (believing that stuff) and took so long to get out. I know I have to laugh at my own stupidity often...How could I ever have agreed to subject myself to that religion... whatever the answer I did and now try to make light of that fact. But it really isn't funny though. And I feel sorry for Dmac.

  • Valis
    Valis
    The hierarchy even on this site, newbies, emperors, masters, juniors.....reminds me of Elders, ministirial servants, pioneers, publishers.

    You are exactly right peggy....and since it is hard to get anyone who has been around a while to clean the ladie's room... Welcome to the forum!

    Sincerely,

    District Overbeer

  • Frannie Banannie
    Frannie Banannie

    Peggy, all of the posters here on JWD are in different stages of healing from their sojourn in the WTS. Please be patient. You will find the support you need here, but expect that others are in need of our support, too, and we'll be hearing from them, also. When you come upon a topic or thread that is not to your taste, simply skip it. It'll save a lot of wear and tear on your emotions. We're mostly non-judmental here. We like to think that all who come here are welcome to heal at their own pace, no matter how difficult it may be for some to "hear" their hostilities.

    It's a part of the healing process....the anger, frustration and hostility towards the WTS. This is a place to heal....and to become more well-informed in the process.

    Hugs and welcome to the forum,

    Frannie B

  • Joyzabel
    Joyzabel

    bwhahahaha Valis, how do you know the ladies room needs to be cleaned???

    Welcome to the board, Peggy.

    Welcome to therapy.

    Joy

  • Panda
    Panda

    Gee Valis did you have to clean the ladies room at assemblies? Thank your lucky stars that those days are over

  • seven006
    seven006

    Peggy.

    The only common bond we all share here is our experience as a JW. Everything out side of that is how that experience influences us as we try to figure out who we actually are as individuals. Depending on things such as our age, location, maturity level, gender, emotional stability, marital status, length of time out of the religion and on and on, will determine how we view any given subject matter posted on this board. The responses to any given subject is as diverse as the people responding. As a JW we were all programed to think alike. As exJW's we are not.

    We tend to see ourselves in threads like the one you mentioned and the level of compassion, understanding, frustration, anger, ridicule or embarrassment shown in our responses is largely dependent on our level of identifying that person within ourselves. Some who are fresh out are still angry about being lied to and manipulated. Reading the blind faith ranting of someone who is still in and blinded to the fact that they are being mentally manipulated by 12 senile old men in Brooklyn stirs a wide variety of emotions in those reading his comments. Those who you see as making fun of this guy are actually making fun of themselves. It's a natural beginning process of healing and growth. Each and every one of us has at one time smacked ourselves up side our heads and asked ourselves "what in the hell was I thinking."

    The truth is none of us were thinking, we were just responding as we were programed to respond. When you spend a good portion of your life responding as opposed to thinking, some of the more compassionate aspects of independent thinking takes a while to develop. I told you in your first thread, because of some of your comments, that you were above normal in your insights for someone who just come to the board. Possibly now you might begin to understand my comment.

    Unlike the rank and file JW who is programed to think alike, respond alike, feel alike, and hide your true feelings alike, we are all trying to figure things out for ourselves. The hard part in doing that is, in the process, we are trying to figure out who the hell we, as an individual, are. We were not allowed or encouraged to do a lot of self examination or independent thinking as a JW. Depending on some of the issues I mentioned previously, they will influence how we respond to most things here. Someone who makes fun of the guy, his website, and his comments today, may view it differently a few months or years down the road.

    As for now, we are all at different levels of growth, healing and understanding. I think you are sharp enough to understand and appreciate that. Some who eventually come here for healing and understanding end up doing more in the way of giving than receiving. You just may be one of them.

    Take care,

    Dave

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