What was I Thinking?

by prophecor 10 Replies latest jw friends

  • prophecor
    prophecor

    Looking over the beliefs once shared in the Borg, it's a little disturbing to see just how intrinsic and profound our allegiance to the Organization was. Rules and reasoning for nearly every thought, wish, dream or idea. I know it's a stupid question but, couldn't we have seen this coming? What would cause us to blindly place that kind of trust in a legalistic, guilt inducing, fear imposing orgaisation?

    Did the WTBTS have intent on being a cult from the begining?

    Was that its intent from the start?

    Do those in the Ivory Towers of Oz even recognize that its a cult?

    Why is it that we see now, but could never put 2 & 2 together B4?

  • Mac
    Mac

    "What was I thinking?".......Jesus Christ, Do I look like the Amazing Kreskin???????

  • TheEdge
    TheEdge

    I liked to think that it started with good intentions - to bring the 'Truth' to the people, away from the trappings of 'Organised' religions - but now, even though that may be true, I realise that Russell was just an ordinary man with his strange little hobbies.

    This is a very clever Cult - not only from the 'elite' angle (the soon to be upon us Armageddon and only we will be saved)...but also it's defence mechanism. The more oppostion it gets, the stronger it becomes, reinforcing its members that it is the 'Truth' - very clever.

  • jeanniebeanz
    jeanniebeanz

    I can't speak to Russle's motives, but believe that the group originally had good intentions. The more the GB bought into the 'spirit directed' ego idea and changed their bible to back up evolving opinions, the more restrictive and isolated the group became eventually joining the ranks of other cults.

    Jean

  • prophecor
    prophecor
    "What was I thinking?".......Jesus Christ, Do I look like the Amazing Kreskin???????
    Only your Emperor Knows For Sure
  • AlmostAtheist
    AlmostAtheist

    Ray Franz's book left me with the impression that the GB believes they are God's Organization. Any deceit on their part (misquoting other sources, flawed reasoning, conflicting stances) are all with the intent to keep the "flock of God" serving that organization. It seems as if they truly believe it.

    Gina and I have talked about this alot. The biggest hole in the "they know they're a cult" theory is the big mistakes they make if they were actually trying to do that. Think of the better ways they could indoctrinate children. If they had "sunday school classes", like other churches, they could concentrate on indoctrinating the kids. Rather than leaving it to the whims of the family heads, they could see to it that three times a week, the kids heard the "truth" in their own language. But instead they blow it, raising generation after generation of kids that remember little of their early Kingdom Hall days besides sitting still and getting shushed and being bored.

    There are other glaring mistakes I've noticed, but I don't remember them. And I'm sure there's tons I've missed.

    Why didn't we realize it? How could we possibly not know we were in a cult/high-control-group? The training from the very outset taught us to immediately turn away from anyone trying to "lure us away" from the "Truth". Remember the "Truth" book -- the "blue bomb"? It warned newly interested folks that their friends and family would try -- with your best interests at heart -- to dissuade you from your new faith, but God expects you to 'obey him as ruler rather than men.' Very quickly, we were sucked into believing that it was God himself that wrote the literature, and anyone disagreeing with it was disagreeing with God.

    It's amazing we bought into it. And equally amazing that once in, we were able to escape.

    Dave

  • Sunspot
    Sunspot

    **What would cause us to blindly place that kind of trust in a legalistic, guilt inducing, fear imposing orgaisation?

    In all honesty-----I've been wondering this myself for five years or so. I think it's a "you can't see the forest for the trees" situation.

    Once totally indoctrinated and convinced that you DO have "the truth", it's hard to do anything but defend these beliefs and turn a blind eye to opposition. (Satan trying to dissuade you, etc) All the bases are covered and you float along on a cloud of complacency, never REALLY questioning what you are taught.

    Annie

  • franklin J
    franklin J

    since I was raised as a JW; I asked that same question to my folks after we had "faded out".

    They converted from Catholicism back in 1957 and said that back then; things in the WT were not bad.

    They spoke of a very small; friendly community of "individuals". It seemed a very "cutting edge" way of life that adhered to simple, basic bible principles rather than the ceremony of the church. This was also during the 1950s when everything seemed conservative.

    I considered it very "brave" and "idealistic" for them to drop their entire extended families and secular life to pursue this "religious utopian dream; they had young children and really belived they were doing the best for their children ( what? sacrifice education? My father never bought in to that one!)

    Of course; they never considered how bitter or devastating the outcome would be....there was no pot of gold at the end of the journey-there was, however, a pot of sh_t

  • outoftheorg
    outoftheorg

    This question has bothered me for a long time. I think I am intelligent and mentally healthy, so how could I fall for all this BS for so long?

    I think in Russel's time it was nonsense delivered with good intentions and expectations.

    Then when Joe "gimme some booze" Rutherford took over, all of the above was from a sociopath and without any thought about the well being of the rank and file.

    A sociopaths method of control are very much like the methods of a cult.

    I believe that there are always a few of the leaders at Bethel with the same mental problems had by Rutherford and they always end up in control of the more reasonable people.

    Basically I believe the wbts is rotten from the top down through the do''s to the co's and to the elders and the reasonable people are pushed aside or corrupted.

    Outoftheorg

  • freedom96
    freedom96

    I don't doubt that many of those who lead the WTS think that they have the truth. But they are cult like whether they intend to be or not.

    The fact remains that their cultish behavior destroys family and friend relationships, and that is NOT Christlike.

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