I'm thinking of going back

by Smoky 42 Replies latest jw friends

  • Sunspot
    Sunspot
    and made a compeling argument about how the holy spirit is given by God ONLY if you attend meeting and go to field service...etc, etc. and the whole "faith and works" issue.

    Yes, the Holy Spirit IS freely given by God.................but there is absolutely NO stipulation that one MUST go out in FS or attend WTS meetings to receive it. What GARBAGE!!!

    The WTS has ALL KINDS of claims that they spout off but have no proof of the so-called truth behind them.

    Jesus said to feed the poor , clothe the needy, and help your fellow man when you see a chance to do so. He also said to be forgiving and merciful: not judging others. Do you hear the elders telling you THAT?

    Of course not. It isn't part of the WTS agenda---but twisted teachings and FOG are! (FOG = FEAR, OBLIGATION AND GUILT) They are VERY good at that!

    Don't be misled (again) by their slick words and "pretend" concern for you. Sorry to say, you're just a number to them, someone who hasn't "been around" the KH in a while, and they need to lure you back.

    Annie

  • AlmostAtheist
    AlmostAtheist

    Hey Smoky,

    Why'd you leave in the first place? Did you disagree with any doctrines, see corruption or hypocrisy, anything like that? Or did you just sort of "drift away", stopping field service, then meetings, then any sort of studying at all?

    If you just got tired of the cycle of meetings/service/assemblies/more meetings, then I can see where your dilemma is coming from. You need to decide for yourself what the right course of action is for you.

    Personally, I think the watchtower is just another organization that interprets the Bible. They claim they don't, they claim the Bible interprets itself. But that's hogwash. For instance, where in the Bible does it say smoking is wrong? They *interpret* the references to spiritism (translated from 'druggery') and the comments in Corinthians about cleanliness to mean smoking is wrong. (They do not interpret it to mean cough syrup is wrong, though it has a greater psychoactive affect than smoking) Others read those same verses and conclude something different. They *interpret* the comments about eating blood to mean you shouldn't take a transfusion. Others conclude that eating liver and getting a liver transplant are different, and so while they may choose not to consume blood as food, they are willing to have it transfused into their bodies.

    They don't have "The Truth", they have their interpretation. Just like everybody else.

    So before you sell your soul to them again, research their doctrines and practices independantly OUTSIDE of their own publications. See if you really agree with it all. If you still do, then go for it. If you see some chinks in the armor, maybe you need to reconsider.

    Another valuable thing to consider is whether or not Jehovah's Witnesses constitute a "high control group", a type of organization that takes over your own thinking and substitutes their own. Some identifying signs of such groups (not just JW's) are:

    - Simplistic Thinking: Issues are expressed as polar opposites, with
    no gray areas. Things are black or white, us or them, good or bad.

    - Time Pressure: You are given so much to do that you never have time
    to stand back and think objectively about what you are being taught.

    - Peer Pressure: Your conformity is attained by exploiting your natural
    need to belong.

    - Isolation: You are separated from society, friends or family, either
    physically or psychologically. You are led to believe that you made the
    choice yourself, to avoid "bad influence".

    - Insulation: Facts at odds with what you are taught are explained away
    by saying that they are lies created to mislead you. You are taught that
    people outside the group conspire to ensnare you. If you continue to be
    concerned, you are referred to the group's reference material rather than
    outside sources.

    - Demonization: Groups or entities are identified (e.g. "Evil Slave
    Class", Satan, Christendom) as an object example of the evil outside the
    group. Some of these groups or entities might not actually exist.

    - Special Status: You are told that you belong to a group of chosen ones
    with a special mission.

    - Elevation of Persecution: Any negative actions taken against the group
    are taken as proof that the outside world is trying to destroy it.

    - Guilt: You are made to question your worthiness, and your past sins are
    exaggerated. You are consistently led to believe that you are not "doing
    enough".

    - Fear: Your loyalty and obedience is maintained through warnings of
    serious physical or spiritual repercussions if you do not conform.

    - Authority: You are discouraged from expressing doubt or questioning the
    words of the "higher authority" (a charismatic leader, elders, or the
    organization as a whole).

    - Apocalyptics: You are taught that everything will work out well because
    a magical solution is coming. The solution usually involves the
    destruction or subjugation of those outside the group.

    - Scrupulosity: You are taught explicit rules concerning conduct,
    appearance, and behaviour. Spontaneity is discouraged.

    - Uncompromising Discipline: Disagreement is dealt with harshly, which
    discourages open discussion of alternative views.

    - Conditioning: You are taught to react instantly to situations with
    approved responses, rather than acting thoughtfully. For example, you are
    taught to answer questions instantly by quoting from approved sources
    rather than thinking about the question.

    - Thought-Stopping: You are discouraged from thinking along lines that are
    not in accord with what you are supposed to believe. Eventually, this
    becomes a habit, and you lose your ability to think critically.

    - Subjugation: You are taught that the group's goals outweigh your needs,
    and that your personal problems are mere weaknesses which can be ignored
    if you are strong enough.

  • confusedjw
    confusedjw

    I have to refer you to the many times the WT has asked it's readers to think "If you find your religion to be untrue in any area, not matter how hard it is, you need to remove yourself from that religion."

    That being the case:

    Is there any denying that "false predictions" were made concerning 1799, 1874, 1914, 1915, 1925 and yes even 1975?

    How can it be determined that for 50 years that the WT taught that Jesus (and in terms that left no doubt that it couldnt' be true) too heavin in 1874? They taught this up until 1929 - a full decade after being "appointed over all of Christ's belongings - in 1919"

    How could Jehovah be directing the preaching work if for 80 years they were teaching the wrong thing about the "Generation"? That the generation that saw 1914 would see the end was stated as the PRIMARY reason the society exists at all. I told countless people that in service and taught this to my children - and yet it turns out to be a LIE. Is that how Jehovah works? This idea that he "gradually" reveals the truth to his servants is NOT scriptural. Is is scriptural that he cannot tell a lie. So did you teach the falsehood that the Generation that saw 1914 would see the end?

    And I take you back to the Society's words "No matter how hard it is to admit your religion is wrong........."

    Would you drink a glass of water if it only had a drop of poison? (another favorite illustration of the WT to show that you should not stay in a religion that has some falsehoods in it )

    Well those are MY reasons for not going back. (Well plus that whole 607 falsehood)

  • Dismembered
    Dismembered
    he said its because I LEFT Jehovah

    Typical JDub fear mongering again.

    Dismembered

  • diamondblue1974
    diamondblue1974

    another useful analogy for the poison challice is this one...

    you have a selection of 100 cakes in front of you; you are told that one of them has dogshit in it...(only a little though). which cake do you take and eat?

  • Daughter of Freedom
    Daughter of Freedom

    Ah yes, the old 'you have stopped the flow of the holy spirit' crap. It's such an old card to play- I'm suprised you haven't heard it before.

    I will say 'to everyone each their own'. If it makes you happy and you aren't hurting anyone else- do it. If the JW stuff does it for you- then go for it.

    BUT my honest opinion means that I would have to say quite strongly

    BE STRONG! DON'T GO BACK! GO FORWARDS! FREE YOUR MIND & SPIRIT!

    Handcuffed break free


  • dewbee
    dewbee

    There are plenty of other ways to serve God besides being an active JW. Don't let them make you feel guilty. Its all part of the plot...

  • MAHABA
    MAHABA

    Hi,

    is it not because, being in time of trouble, you are in need of true friendship?

    And remenbering that , at least in the beginning ,you found such a true friendship among witnesses, you are now longing for it?

    And probably that's desire is so strong, that it make you forget the reasons which let you to left?

    You should be the master over your faith, if truly, your hapiness is trough JW's, go, and no one is allowed to prevent you form doing that.

    But if it is only a nostalgy of a lost paradise, on Island on which you never land, and in which you never found equilibrium,love, peace and purpose, Left, and forget that mad desire.

    The True God, if he is, and if you earneastly seek him,will not allow you to be mislead again and again.

  • GetBusyLiving
    GetBusyLiving

    I don't think a person really has a reasonable option to go back after they find out the truth about that religion, if you have any sort of conscience or empathy. The only excuse for going back is either you have not properly educated yourself about the movement or you have not made any progress in your life since leaving and you are using it as a crutch, IMO.

  • Double Edge
    Double Edge
    and made a compeling argument about how the holy spirit is given by God ONLY if you attend meeting and go to field service

    hmmm.... so, what was the holy spirit doing before the JWs became an organization in the 1870's... there was no meetings nor field service. Shame on those elders for putting limits on God and judging Him.

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