confused Im a non JW and my boyfriend is one of the JWs

by sun_dae 34 Replies latest social relationships

  • Nosferatu
    Nosferatu

    Any disgruntled ex-witness could stroll onto a forum like this and claim all sorts of abuse and corruption on the part of the society and you wouldn't be any the wiser.

    There's a reason I'm a "disgruntled ex-witness". I was raised without Christmas, birthdays, was punished if I looked at the opposite sex, and was beaten on a daily basis because JWs are commanded to "use the rod". The word "rod" has been translated into wooden hairbrush, coat hanger, bamboo backscratcher. I approached an elder because I was having trouble dealing with my depression caused by all this, and he sided with my mother telling me how spiritual she was. I had nobody to help me.

    It was the worldly people who helped me deal with my shitty upbringing. I'm a much better person now that I'm out. But there was a huge price to pay.

    Sun_dae, you're on the right path. If your boyfriend loves you because you're becoming a JW instead of loving you because you're a fantastic person, there's definately something wrong with the relationship. It doesn't matter how wonderful you are, the love your boyfriend has for you is based on which god you worship. If you quit worshipping Jehovah, your boyfriend will quit loving you. It's really sad, but that's the way JW relationships work.

  • Xyron
    Xyron

    My point was that stories like that can be easily fabricated.

    Any advice I've seen given to witnesses on how to raise their children don't reflect anything like what you've described. If you really went through a rough time growing up as a witness child I'm sorry about it but you should be angry with your parents and the elder who wouldn't believe you, not the organization.

    As far as spanking goes, whether you should or not is a big concern and has been discussed thoroughly by many child care professionals and they've all arrived at different conclusions. The bible's mention of "using the rod" would be more accurately translated as the rod used by a sheperd to gently direct his sheep, not beat the living crap out of them. Spanking is meant to punish for things children do wrong and should be accompanied by an explanation of why the child is being spanked, what they've done wrong, why it was wrong, that their parents still love them, etc etc. I was spanked some as a child and personally I don't think I was spanked enough. I might be more disciplined and focused if I had been, instead of downright lazy.

    I grew up as a witness and didn't have christmas, birthdays or any other of the holiday's most other kid's at schools celebrated. Didn't hurt me any and I can see why it wouldn't be right to celebrate those things. No offense but if not getting presents at specific dates on the calendar caused any part of your depression, the lack of holidays wasn't your problem. A counselor or perhaps a psychiatrist would've been a good idea.

    And looking at those of the opposite sex isn't wrong either, but when children reach the age that they start doing so, their parents should talk to them about it so they know why they're changing and starting to look at those of the opposite sex in such a different way.

    Just because you experienced such things doesn't mean that's how it works with every Jehovah's Witness family world wide. Honestly, I don't know anyone personally who has ever related such a story.

    Sadly nosferatu is mostly right...if someone loves you because of what religion you chose instead of who you are, you don't need them anyway, they arn't a good person to spend the rest of your life with. However I don't agree that "JW relationships" are like that.

  • Nosferatu
    Nosferatu
    If you really went through a rough time growing up as a witness child I'm sorry about it but you should be angry with your parents and the elder who wouldn't believe you, not the organization.

    Xyron, there's other issues I have as well, and it has nothing to do with my parents, nor the elders, but what's printed in the Org's books for children. I had a chance to look at the new "Learn from the Great Teacher" book when it came out, and I had many questions answered. I found out why my self-esteem and confidence was shit. I was taught to "be like a slave" and "turn the other cheek and the problem will go away". I was also taught that "violence was wrong" and "competition is wrong". By putting all these pieces together, I learned that I shouldn't stand up for myself, and I should "put my burden upon Jehovah". I've let people walk all over me and take advantage of me most of my life. All I did was "turn the other cheek" instead of kicking them in their proverbial balls. I was beaten up on a daily basis in school, and all I did to help myself was pray to Jehovah. I learned not to take any responsibility for myself, but let some invisible guy who supposedly created the whole universe defend me.

    And looking at those of the opposite sex isn't wrong either, but when children reach the age that they start doing so, their parents should talk to them about it so they know why they're changing and starting to look at those of the opposite sex in such a different way.

    Unfortunately, the Org directs the parents on how to explain sex to their children. There's no pictures in the "Your Youth" book that show exactly how sex works. It's all words and a picture of some shithead teenager sitting on his bed thinking. I learned exactly how sex worked when my worldly cousin gave me a porno tape when I was 16. Hell, my wife had a pop-up book to learn from. I got ripped off in the area of sex ed. Being pulled out of sex ed classes in school didn't help either.

    As for the whole holiday thing, I was simply pointing that out to Sun_dae to inform her what would happen if she did marry her JW boyfriend and had children with him.

    Just because you experienced such things doesn't mean that's how it works with every Jehovah's Witness family world wide.

    What I've seen is that the Org's teachings can amplify a person's bad side. If they had a good upbringing, their bad side isn't going to be as strong. If they had a bad upbringing (like my mother), their bad side is going to come out like a growling monster with sharp fangs, sharp nails, bad breath, and a desire to kill. Having someone's fingernails dug so hard into your throat that they leave marks isn't fun.

  • Xyron
    Xyron

    Well I admit, that is some hard stuff to deal with. I was never physically beaten in school because I was bigger than everyone, but I received my fair share of verbal abuse for being different and I developed some problems of my own from it.

    Obviously we don't interpret the messages in books like "Learn from the Great Teacher" in the same way but I'm not going to try and preach to you about why I think you're wrong about it. I think I've said my piece on this forum and I'm done. Whenever I come across this kind of forum I always feel overcome by the urge to interject my own opinions, and I've done that...hopefully someone will benefit from it.

    Later all.

  • Doubtfully Yours
    Doubtfully Yours

    If he's in a relationship with a non-JW, then he's a good candidate to becoming a non-JW himself.

    True, dedicated JWs do not enter committed relationships with non-JWs. They only have platonic relationships with people from work or other places where they absolutely have to.

    So, who knows, you may already have the power to convert him to your side.

    DY

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    We can always hope, Doubtfully Yours. I am worried, though, that this young man's mettle has not been tested yet. Up to this point, this lovely girl has gone along with the program.

    Ah, well. Soon, we shall see.

    Sun_dae, come back and let us know how it works out.

  • observador
    observador

    "I agreed to do research and found about this site(been to freeminds.com too)...my gosh...it was hard to accept the things the exJWs say about the organization because I have to admit, I swallowed up everything the JW told me, about blood transfusion, disfellowshipping, etc...etc..."

    Now we're talking!

    You now see the 2 sides of the coin. JWs definitely don't want you to do that...

    Welcome to the forum.

    Observador.

  • sun_dae
    sun_dae

    Stillajwexelder: Sorry to ask a personal question which is none of my business - but have you had any sexual liason yet with this JW boyfriend yet? The question is relevant - trust me - never been to such sort of thing.

  • sun_dae
    sun_dae

    Doubtfully yours,

    True, dedicated JWs do not enter committed relationships with non-JWs.

    Well, as I observed him he is not as dedicated as those JWs I've been with...he skips meetings because he has to work, seldom does he go out to preach. When we have talks he always says he's so guilty because he's not doing anything and his spirituality has not grown. We both went to college and finished it and he always tells me how he spent his time for nonsense things maybe referring to his education though I don't feel the same because I don't have regrets of finishing my studies...that's what I always tell him that we need to have our identity also and he has nothing to be guilty of.

  • sun_dae
    sun_dae

    He technically should not be having anything to do with you since you are not a baptised witness anyway..

    Once I asked him why he broke up with his nonJW girlfriend then still courted me as I happen to be a nonJW also. He says its different because his ex did not want to convert, as for me he's looking forward to my being JW. I do not know if it is conditional love he has for me but I am willing to gamble and hope that soon he would realise of loving me for who I am. Once I told him if ever we broke up, he will be the one to ask for it and he said he may not know so much about me but he is willing to accept me for who I am. Maybe, he meant it. I will wait for the right time to tell him of my doubts...as for now I would make him realise I have been the girl he wants to love not because I am part of the religion. We'll get to know each other first then I'l let him decide if he wants to stay

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