Goodbye everyone

by holly 162 Replies latest jw friends

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    If Holly isn't a troll, she'll be back. She'll regret enormously, in just a few years at most, this decision.

    You can't unknow what you know. Holly knows -- or at least, has been given plenty of information -- about the many false teachings of the WTS. Eventually, when she gets her share of hard knocks, or gets tired of hearing the weekly load of bullpucky, she'll remember what she knows.

    There exists a picture that's an optical illusion that illustrates this nicely. When you first look at it close up, you see a fuzzy image of an attractive woman from behind sitting at a makeup table with a big mirror in front of her. As you stare at it, you gradually begin to see a huge, grinning skull staring back at you. From then on, you can't look at the picture without seeing the skull.

    It's the same with getting to know Jehovah's Witnesses. At first, you see some attractive features. Then you gradually begin to see evidence like a grinning skull. Once you admit to yourself that the "skull" is there, you can't see the attractive things without seeing it. And once they see it, many leave the cult.

    AlanF

  • TheEdge
    TheEdge

    I sort of agree with you Jeannie, but

    If Holly is deaf, and isolated

    ...she has mentioned having children (don't know what ages they are)....so she isn't ''isolated'' and has responsibilities....and having JWism thrust upon young minds is NOT a good thing, and often has its own consequences...

  • jeanniebeanz
    jeanniebeanz
    It would be good to try to emulate her kindness.

    hahahahahahahaha. Is that before or after she insulted roughly 14,000 people who are associated with this forum?

    Her parting shot was about as kind as a Grizzly Bear with a sore butt. lol

    Ah, well. What ya gonna do?

    btw. lol@mecurious... love it. First laugh of my day!

    Jeannie

  • Mecurious?
    Mecurious?

    btw. lol@mecurious ... love it. First laugh of my day!

    Thanks. Someone finally understands me....

    LOL

    M'

  • jeanniebeanz
    jeanniebeanz
    she has mentioned having children

    Hey there! ;) Believe me, you can have children and work and still feel isolated if you have difficulty making real friends. I was isolated for many years under just those circumstances... Personal attention such as a study would have made me feel, "wow! this is great!"

    J

  • beebee
    beebee

    I did find it interesting that in her other thread, I offered questions for her to ponder, not biblical questions, but logical things relating to not just the beliefs, but acceptance of a lifestyle, the possibility of walking away from one's children, etc.

    She didn't offer ANY response. Not opposition, not a challenge, nothing. Like maybe they were questions she didn't want to think about.

    Hmmm....

    Holly, if you read this, I do wish you well. Did you ever get to read the thread (i'd link to it if I could remember the topic) where I posted an article I found on Dr. Phil's website, where Hedda Nussbaum, a woman who was severely abused by her common-law husband, listed the warning signs you might be in an abusive relationship? Now mind you, the list was meant for people who were dating people. But as I read the list, I realized that almost ALL the questions could pertain to the way the WT controls the JWs.

    An abusive and controlling relationship can exist between a person and an entity too. Of course, people in abusive relationships often defend the abuser, or make excuses, or accept blame or partial blame for their victimization. That's the psychological abuse talking! Unfortunately, you are too far "in the clutches" of the "let's join the party" love bombing to see the future. Women in abusive relationships often get the same thing...in the beginning. I lived it. An overattentive and passionate spouse, then the controlling behaviors, then the put downs, then the first abuse, then the effusive apologies, then the ongoing abuse and the "well you make me do it" and it spirals downward from there.

    I will agree you had plenty of opportunity to hear from those that have been there, and you have chosen to believe the abuser, rather than the victim.

    Good luck.

  • TheEdge
    TheEdge
    It would be interesting to compare her IP address

    Not quite sure how this would work - doesn't it vary?

  • mrsjones5
    mrsjones5

    After reading her supposedly last post i came to the conclusion Holly isnt very loving and deserved to be a jw.

    Good luck to her, she'd gonna need it.

    Josie

  • Swan
    Swan
    So were a bunch of hate-filled creatures, huh? So why have most of us wished Holly well even though we know she's making a huge mistake? A couple of people were insulted by some of her comments and said so. That's not hatefulness, that's honesty. A couple of others think she's a troll. That's not hate, it's cynicism maybe, but if they have a gut instinct that tells them something isn't right it's not hate that caused it or hate that caused them to share their feelings about it with us.

    That is a good post Undercover. Why must things be so black-and-white for the JW apologist who comment here?

    I don't hate Holly. I was angry with her cowardly and snobbish remarks and called her on it. If she ever identifies herself at my door I will be sure to tell her so in person... vigorously! But hate is too strong a word for it. I reserve the word hate for truly evil people like Hitler, Pol Pot, and Milosevic.

    As as for her return to the JWs, I simply don't care. If she wants to return, that's her choice. But taking parting shots at people who tried to help her by honestly and earnestly answering her questions... that is truly a shameful way to behave. Like I said, she should fit right in at the Kingdom Hall.

    Tammy

  • bikerchic
    bikerchic

    Quotes you said it well and my sentiments to holly as well:

    Despite the fact that parts of your final post were judgemental and condescending, I wish you PEACE and LOVE and HAPPINESS. Truly and sincerely, I wish these things for you.

    Please remember: the Scriptures teach that you can and should carefully examine your belief against the scriptures. JWs remind others of this all the time. But I urge you to try and remember that it applies to all, even JWs.

    As you are examining your beliefs, don't forget that at one time Jah had chosen the ancient Israelites. They are now his people no longer (according to most Christian denominations). That means that a group or organization can fall out of favour with God and lose their special status. You should continue carefully examining things to make sure that your organization has not fallen out of favour with God.

    If you are happy with JWs, peace be with you. I truly believe that some people are better off in high control groups (doesn't matter which one, either: Scientologists, Moonies, JWs, Mormons, etc.) I also truly believe that most people in those groups do not fit that description, that is to say, most people in high control groups are far worse off in them. Remember: if, in the future, you find you don't like where you are, you can always leave.

    Do NOT confuse "loyalty to an American printing company" with "loyalty to God". And never forget to be true to yourself.

    PEACE.

    ~Quotes, of the "writing things that won't even be read" class

    Kate

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