Have any of you examined early christian history and found many problems? (page 2)

Satanus

Booker

Can you carefully document these statements? If you can, it would be very informative.

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stillajwexelder

Problems arose out of which books to include in the bible cannon. The Trinity was another - Read "When Jesus became God"

stillajwexelder

but never of God the mother. Care to tell us which early Christians believed that.

I have read that also -had to do with the fact that there was a Ptolemaic descendant in Egypt at the time of Christ and of course there was a big ISIS cult - mother God and of course the Temple of Artemis in Ephesus

Kenneson

Still,

If there is a God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit and God the Mother Mary, we no longer have a Trinity, do we?

stillajwexelder

Well Jesus himself said - I and the father are one just as we (his disciples) are one - so there never was a trinity anyway = where is Hooberus when we need him

homme perdu

which denominations use the term "born-again"?

El blanko

It is my understanding that the term 'born again' is used by a Christian who is not bound by a sect but is a freeman through Christ; extending him/herself outwards towards the general Christian community.

But, I may be wrong.

Cygnus

A somewhat knowledgable Hindu man once explained to me that one form of the early trinity was indeed Father, Son, and Mother (Mary). So I don't think it's beyond reason. Maybe the Shekinah light of the Israelite days morphed into a mother-god for some early Christians. All I know is, those people from 30 CE to 100 CE didn't have a lot of writing, communication, or base of operations as the book of Acts suggests, and I'm sure all sorts of ideas floated here and there word of mouth by myth-crazed persons who were lucky to live to be 40 years old.

Edited to add: A very nice born-again lady who knew her scriptures was staying in the mental ward I stayed in for 3 days after my nervous breakdown and I bought her a new King James Bible as a present when I came back to visit and she was so happy and gracious. Just because people believe in weird things doesn't make them bad people.

Dan-O

Dig all the way back through Christianity and back past Judaism and you'll find the same concepts in ancient cultures that predate both. Take a look at the mythology of Sumer or Egypt and the symbols of those cultures and compare them to modern Christians. Then toss in some real fun stuff like the gnostic gospels and you'll easily offend the Dubs, the Mormons, and the Born Agains.

NewLight2

"The list goes on and on but when you mention this to a pastor or minister they insist that they are not false prophets and that born-agains have made mistakes in date-suggesting. I ask them what is the difference when JW's or Mormons do the same thing?"--booker-t

The BIG difference you are not seeing in your comparision, is that Born-Agains do not have an ORGANIZATION of central authority that dictates their doctrines. There are MANY Baptists - Southern Baptists, Northern Baptists, Conservative Baptists, General Conference Baptists - and the list goes on. Add to the above - The United Methodists, The Westlyian Methodists, the Lutherans have as many different sub-branches as the Baptists, then add in the various pentecostal demonations and INDEPENENT churches to the mix. What you have is ALL of the above mentioned believe in the Born-Again experience, yet differ widely in their other beliefs and practices. To lump them all together as if they were ONE BIG entity is a grave mistake. In fact, each PERSON who chooses to worship with any of the above, is ONLY held accountable before GOD for their OWN individual actions, not the group as a whole. That is why no Born-Again will care much about the so-called historical skeletions that can be found 'in the closets' of history.

Each individual born-again believer is free to read the Scriptures for himself and apply whatever meaning they feel is right to any portion of that scripture. Yes, there are printed guidelines (Commentaries) that they use, but no ORGANIZATION is going to DF them id they disagree with said Commentaries.

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