Branch Split in the Watchtower Kingdom

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  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    Before you read anything, you should be aware that I do not know what I am talking about.

    It seems clear now that the Watchtower religion has already started to decline, in the Western world at least. How will this decline play out in the future - this is one of the most interesting questions relating to the Watchtower at the moment: Will the Witnesses enjoy a slow leisurely decline over many decades, or can we expect a major split and disintegration in the near future? At the moment we can only speculate, but please indulge me:

    I suggest that the Watchtower is about to disintegrate in a manner that even many apostates do not imagine is possible. Let's look at the history of the thing: how have splits happened in the past?

    1A. In 1917 when it was not clear who would be in legal control of the publishing agency of the Society there was a major split and Rutherford took the helm by force.

    B - Today the governing body are no longer identical to the legal directors of the Watchtower Society (as of 2000 or so). This is bound to cause friction at some point since someone in a powerful position in the legal entity of the Watchtower is bound to want greater control than the governing body at some point down the line - it is human nature.

    2A. Whole groups in Africa formed independent "Watchtower" religions early in the 20th century due to the fact that the Society in America lost contact and control over their followers during unsettled times.

    B - The Watchtower religion is now so large compared with the organisation that Rutherford had to keep a grip on that overseeing all the Witnesses in the whole world is becoming an increasingly difficult task. At some point Witnesses in various regions, especially in developing countries and in times of trouble, will likely lose contact with Brooklyn and develop irreconcilably distinctive characteristics during their isolation.

    3A. In the early 1980s the Ireland branch experienced a major apostasy involving members of the branch committee that is little talked about in the literature. This apostasy, that had to be sorted out by John Barr and others from the governing body, resulted from members of the branch being sympathetic toward Ray Franz during his ousting from the governing body as well as consideration of 'The Gentile Times Reconsidered' thesis.

    B - Apostate information is flourishing in 2005 more than ever due to the web. It is hard to believe that some branches and branch members around the world will not be/have already been affected by apostate information and at some stage will seek to effect a break with Brooklyn.

    This last point, I feel, is the most important one. It is only a matter of time until some branch committee somewhere in the world starts to assert itself in defiance of Brooklyn. Likely candidates I could suggest would be:

    India, Nigeria, the Netherlands and Japan

    India because the Society already have strained relations with the branch there.

    Nigeria because it is the country with the largest number of Witnesses in an unstable region where locals are beginning to take the reigns of power in the branch.

    The Netherlands because they have been in decline in that country for many years and the Dutch always like to rebel and be different.

    Japan because they have recently had the shock of no longer being the models of behaviour for all Witnesses everywhere and are now in decline. How will Japanese Witnesses respond to such a turn around? I suspect they will not blame themselves. A study has also shown that Japanese Witnesses also have a very distinctive understanding of the faith that they inherited from their American conquerors. A split is immanent.

    As I say, this is all speculative, but I suggest that those who await a slow steady decline in the Watchtower religion may be in for a surprise in the months and years ahead.

  • Spook
    Spook

    Interesting thoughts. I have a few bits to add.

    One reason for the splitting of corporations is that the financial elements are dispersed. As the pressure of lawsuits increases - particularly on the issues of blood/child abuse, the organization will have to increasingly separate economically and operationally to stay financially stable.

    Another factor can be drawn from the new statistics: In highly educated western nations, growth is nonexistant, stagnant, even decling. Keeping in mind the foreign field activities account for most of the new publishers in many of these lands. Can you imagine what the US statistics would be without the growth in foreign fields? As a result of this, there is an increase of publishers in low income socio-economic situations, and a decreasing basis of financial support. This continued stratification - a decreasing base of wealthy western support and an increasing call for construction and publications in low income areas- is producing incredible economic strain on the operations of the corporations. I predict this will eventually lead to requiring increased local autonomy.

    Ben

  • GetBusyLiving
    GetBusyLiving

    Personally I think the society falling apart any time soon is just wishful thinking. I think eventually they will break up into splinter groups and such, but the guilt they impose on people is so strong its gonna take a long time.

  • dostprefer
    dostprefer

    Re: Branch Split in the Watchtower Kingdom

    this topic title reminds me of the expression "You will hear of wars and rumours of wars, look out that you might not be misled"

    But one realises 'Hope springs eternal in the human breast" Alexander Pope

  • JustTickledPink
    JustTickledPink

    Actually I think someone will come along with great ambition and will want to rule a peice of the pie by themselves. Someone will disagree with the current President and say "hey I want to be President of the WTS of India, Nigeria, Netherlands, etc" and will cut ties and become independant.

    I really believe that power will ultimately corrupt and bring about changes, because from MS, to elders, to POs it's all about a craving need for power.

  • iiz2cool
    iiz2cool

    I think the JWs in Canada will finally give in to their sleazy nature and cut ties with Brooklyn. Ministerial Servants? will be deleted and hot nubile babes will be appointed as temple prostitutes. The preaching work will intensify as new ones? are invited to the Kinkdom Hall.

    Walter

  • jaredg
    jaredg
    Ministerial Servants? will be deleted and hot nubile babes will be appointed as temple prostitutes.

    that's when i'll get reinstated

  • GetBusyLiving
    GetBusyLiving

    Walter you are one hell of a funny shit man. LMAO.

  • what_Truth?
    what_Truth?

    I think they'll have a split up similar to what the Nation Of Islam went through in the late 70's/early 80's. Much like the nation of Islam, the Jehovah's Witnesses are getting more and more mainstream in their beleifs. Also much like the NOI one of their key members (Malcolm X and Ray Franz) has split and started causing dissention amongst the rank and file.

    Eventually the JW's will become so mainstream that a few of the older hardliners will look for a return to the earlier days. When that happens one of the GB will split, grab a couple billion, and start a splinter group the way Louis Farakhan did with the NOI.

  • metatron
    metatron

    Quiet divergence and decline are more likely than any obvious splitting of the organization. The sterility, ennui, and futility

    of Watchtower life are going to dominant over any attraction into a separate group. The new Branch arrangement paves the way

    for 'local' understandings - once the organization weakens a bit more. Countries like India have their own troubles with simony

    and corruption in congregations. Northern Europe congregations are just fading away.

    The Watchtower will just go on pretending that everything is fine amidst their imaginary spiritual paradise.

    metatron

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