Women and children as young as 11 held at Abu Ghraib

by Simon 18 Replies latest social current

  • Simon
    Simon

    Do you think it's acceptable for the US to imprison CHILDREN as young as 11 years old ?!?!

    Does the behaviour of drunken US soldiers assaulting a 17 year old girl make them undisciplined yobs?

    This comment is particularly disturbing IMO and should result in prosecution.

    In her interview, she said Maj Gen Walter Wodjakowski, then the second most senior army general in Iraq, told her in the summer of 2003 not to release more prisoners, even if they were innocent.

    "I don't care if we're holding 15,000 innocent civilians," she said Maj Gen Wodjakowski told her. "We're winning the war."

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4339511.stm

  • berylblue
    berylblue
    Do you think it's acceptable for the US to imprison CHILDREN as young as 11 years old ?!?!

    Don't worry, Simon, someone here probably will.

  • Simon
    Simon
    Don't worry, Simon, someone here probably will.

    Yes, it seems that some people cannot see any wrong as long as it is draped in stars and stripes.

  • berylblue
    berylblue

    I found this particularly disturbing:

    "I don't care if we're holding 15,000 innocent civilians," she said Maj Gen Wodjakowski told her. "We're winning the war."

    Uh, first of all, no, we're not.

    And secondly....this is the mindset that's going to bite millions of conservative Americans in the collective ass. They simply cannot, or will not, understand that any who would violate the rights of Iraqis would also violate THEIR rights in a New York minute.

    The ACLU has sued US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on behalf of four Iraqis and four Afghans who say they were tortured in US facilities.

    I finally joined the ACLU. Best $35 I've ever spent.

  • fleaman uk
    fleaman uk

    "I don't care if we're holding 15,000 innocent civilians," she said Maj Gen Wodjakowski told her. "We're winning the war."

    My Country right or wrong.Thats the biggest misnomer imo.

  • fleaman uk
    fleaman uk

    Misnomer? Sorry,terrible grammar!

  • Pleasuredome
    Pleasuredome

    apparently it's called 'freedom and democracy'.

    and btw, they might say 15,000 innocent civilians. but dont forget the rest of them that they decided not to count..... http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A25239-2005Mar10?language=printer

    so, we saw what was happening to the adult detainees. can we imagine what was happening to the kids? i always wondered why rumsfled keeps making trips to iraq.

  • Simon
    Simon

    What kind of sick army locks 11 year old children up in a place like that?!

    What sort of undisciplined army allows drunken soldiers to abuse female detainees?!

    What kind of retarded military thinks its going to win hearts an minds by locking up innocent civilians?!

  • William Penwell
    William Penwell

    The ends justify the means!!! What conservatives don't understand is that we as a people are only as civilized as how we treat our enemies. We then have no right to complain when the other side does the same thing. The hypocrisy is that most of those that would agree with this policy are good Christians. Will

  • rwagoner
    rwagoner

    Okay...I'll be the a**hole....

    First off I do not think that "Innocent" people of any age should be imprisoned, once their innocence is determined. I also don't think any prisoners should be "abused" although the definition of abuse is still up for interpretation.

    With that said here is my opinion, and my opinion only....

    The former Iraqi governments have not empowered their citizens with the same constitutional rights that are available here in the US, in fact, that is part of the reason we are there...to bring a more democratic system with more protections to their country.

    There is also a war going on and in the interest of the overall safety of both the civilians and the sodiers fighting there is a certain amount of sacrifice...whether it is a curfew, martial law and temporarily detaining people to identify them and their loyalties.

    All anyone needs to do is turn on the news to see children, young children, used by their government to fight for any number of causes. Kids carrying machine guns or brainwashed to be suicide bombers are far too common. Now I don't like the idea of "innocent" kids being locked up but age alone does not automatically make someone innocent these days. There is also the consideration of separating them, for a brief time, from the influences of those who would attempt to twist their impressonable minds and use them as martyrs or force them into military service in what was historically called the "C corps".

    I don't blindly support my country right or wrong as was mentioned previously but I am also realistic that in a time of war things are not simple or clearly black or white. There will be troops that exceed or abuse their authority and there will also be those who will go to extremes to eliminate or demoralize our troops.

    Now I tried to be as diplomatic and non-confrontational as possible (no small task for a jerk like me LOL) and I understand that not everyone will agree with me and honestly, I respect that and only ask the same courtesy in return.

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