After all the wts crap, do any of you still believe in Jehovah?

by ButtLight 51 Replies latest jw friends

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  chappy

  Question. Once you've discovered that there are inacuracies in the Bible and you reject it as a divinely inspired document, does that automaticly discount the existance of God? I ask this because I often see statements like: "I've found out that the Bible is a collection of myths and superstions so I certainly don't believe it when it says there's some great creator-god." It also seems like the disallusionment with religion automaticly seems to preclude the existance of God in many peoples mind. If you COMPLETELY leave out the influence of religion and the Bible, what are your feelings about a Creator?

  chappy
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  stillajwexelder

  I think I still believe in an all-powerful supreme being
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  JamesThomas

  It seems it s pretty normal for us to experience some degree of wonder and awe at the expression of life and existence. We sense a higher intelligence, and naturally desire to know our Source. So, we create gods. Generally our gods are created after what we know best and so they are anthropomorphic. The problem occurs when we belief these representations to be true and real.
  
  Why continue to give credit for an infinite universe to a silly and finite deity? Why continue to limit ultimate truth to some tiny object or person far away?
  
  Generally appreciation and joy is found in this moment of life. Dwell here. Be more present here; and see: has what I seek already been given? What is it to be alive? How deep does it go? What is true?
  
  
  j
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  scootergirl

  Chappy...good question. I can only speak for myself when I say I haven't picked up a bible in 19 yrs. To me it is just a book. I have NO idea if it was divinely inspired. I do believe it leads to many interpretations that can be very harmful and down right dangerous. In my mind it is an outdated book. A book..that's all it is to me. As far as what my thoughts are about a "Creator" w/out the influence of the bible or relgion, that for me is very simple. My spirituality involves the feeling I get way down deep inside of me knowing that I am part of something much larger. Intricate by design as we all are. To be allowed the freedom of expression to explore spirituality on a personal level and to be able to define it by my own terms brings balance and peace to my life. All I know is that I am perfectly happy to let the mystery be. To be the best person I can be, not harm anyone, be a good mother and raise my children to be good people and live my life the best way I can. If there is a God or if there isn't, my belief that I have a HP and I can connect somehow will make me a better person.
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  JH

  I will always believe in Jah and Jesus and thank them for being alive.

  As far as the JW's are concerned......they are too strict, and they don't show love to those who need it the most...
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  HadEnuf

  i want to believe in God..does that count for anything?

  i totally do NOT believe in religion.

  IS THIS LIFE ALL THERE IS....................i'm assuming it is until proved otherwise.

  Candidly...you always say just what I would have said...well almost...most of the time...quite a lot of the time.

  I believe in myself.

  Tracy...err I mean Nancy...that is a great place to be. Especially when you have been through a personal "hell", as you have been. My heart is so happy for you. I would put myself in the category of agnostic. I just don't know. Will I ever? Probably not. I'm living like I've never lived before. I plan on not wasting the next 50 years (hopefully) of my life.
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  love11

  Belief is a powerful thing. After being out of the jw's, I became disillusioned at the written word of men (or women).

  I no longer hold onto the beliefs that say men who saw visions and said that god talked to them are really for real. I tend to think that these people are having a schizophrenic episode.

  I too, can go write on paper in a cave and say that god or angels came to me, but I doubt anyone would believe me!!

  Disillusioning yourself is a slow fragile process that is filled with self doubt and guilt. Ultimately, I have decided for myself that if I believe in a god/ godess, I know it's just a psychological illusion of feeling protected, safe, and helped.

  But maybe humans need a god, like a kid needs magic, or thinking that stars are ancestors, and that there is a monster living in the woods.

  A good link- http://www.jcf.org/

  mho- (my humble opinion)

  P.S. Don't tell anyone- I still pray.
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  jaffacake

  WELCOME. Like many on here I believe in God or Jehova or whatever name we want to use, but the letters don't seem important to me, or indeed to God. Most Christians recognise references to God's name as his "good name" ie reputation. Even WTS acknowledges that meaning in Scriptures. As for the inaccurate term Jehovah, I'm pretty sure this was never written in original Greek Christian scriptures.

  In WTS publication ?Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 2, Page 314?, it quotes Professor Kurt Aland as stating:

  ?the text of the New Testament has been excellently transmitted, better than any other writing from ancient times; the possibility that manuscripts might yet be found that would change its text decisively is zero.?

  The Watchtower itself on 1 April 1977, page 219 ?whatever version of the Christian Scriptures you possess, there is no reason to doubt that the Greek text upon which it is based represents?what the inspired authors of these Bible books actually wrote. Though now nearly 2000 years removed from the time of their original composition, the Greek text?is a marvel of accurate transmission.?

  An Article in Awake magazine 8 May 1985, page 14 says:

  ?since God inspired the original writings, ?it is logical that he would oversee a faithful transmittal of his Word down to our present day.?

  There are approximately 5,000 ancient manuscript copies of the Christian Scriptures (ie New Testament). If I am to agree with the Watchtower that God saw to it that the preserved Greek text is ?a marvel of accurate transmission?

  and then if the name YHWH is so important to God, why did God not see to it that it was preserved, at least in a single one of those 5,000 ancient manuscripts? Especially as it is clear from quotations as late as the fourth century, that YHWH was still to be found abundantly in the Greek Septuagint translation of the Hebrew Scriptures (ie Old Testament). Could it be that it was never ever there in the New Testament? All the evidence now points to the conclusion that the tetragram never existed in the original New Testament scriptures.

  I think Jesus would have harsh words for an organisation obsessed with how God's name should be spelled and pronounced.
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  Dustin

  I'm glad you still believe in something. As for me I don't like the God of the Bible. I despise him. I really don't believe in The Bible as being an inspired book of God. I'm still trying to figure out exactly what I do believe. But it's definitely not Christianity.

  Dustin
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  ButtLight

  I guess it seems hard for me, at least right now, for those who have learned and know the "truth" to completely give up on it. I have so many questions, so many arguments, things I still believe in. My head just goes around and around with the pro's and cons of the JW"S. I have read several things on this site, which made me ask a current jw to explain it to me. 1975? The answer was, "they made a mistake." UN involvement? "what can I say, they made a mistake." I wanted to say three strikes and theyre out! I get so confusued sometimes I want to scream. If I had never come to this site, I wouldnt even know the WTS was involved in so much horse poop! Is that why they say not to surf the web, especially sites like this?