Comments You Will Not Hear at the 3-20-05 WT Study (complete article)

by blondie 57 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • blondie
    blondie

    mamacat, the WTS will try to explain that there was no Law code yet against having sex with your daughter or with your father. But then they say how wonderful Joseph was because he refused to commit adultery although he wasn't under the Law code.

    w73 6/15 p. 384 Questions from Readers ***

    As far as Judah was concerned, he thought he was having relations with a prostitute. In this he was not acting right, for it was God?s original purpose for a man to have relations with his wife and not for the earth to be filled with prostitutes. Still, Judah did not sin in the sense of transgressing a specific command of God?s law, for the Mosaic law was not given until much later.?Gen. 2:24; compare Leviticus 19:29.

    w03 12/1 p. 20 Do You Always Need a Bible Command? ***
    Consider the example of Joseph. At the time he was confronting the immoral advances of Potiphar?s wife, there was no divinely inspired written law against adultery. Yet, even without a direct law, Joseph perceived that adultery was a sin not only against his own conscience but also "against God." (Genesis 39:9) Evidently, Joseph recognized that adultery was in violation of God?s thinking and will, as expressed in Eden.?Genesis 2:24.

    Interestingly, the people of Sodom and Gomorrah "did not sin in the sense of transgressing a specific command of God's law" yet they were destroyed eternally.

    If Lot and his daughters had their little escapade after 1513 BCE, they would have been put to death. Wasn't theirs gross immorality?

    Instead the WTS rewrites the Bible.

    w72 5/15 p. 320 Questions from Readers ***
    But it should be noted that there is nothing in the record to indicate that Lot was a habitual drunkard, nor was he habitually involved in acts of incest. His reputation was that of a "righteous man," and this reputation he had with God, who examines the heart. Lot deplored the "lawless deeds" of the people of Sodom. And, evidently, for the Examiner of hearts to view him as righteous, Lot must also have grieved over the wrong conduct in which he himself got involved.
  • Flash
    Flash
    w72 5/15 p. 320 Questions from Readers *** ...evidently, for the Examiner of hearts to view him as righteous, Lot must also have grieved over the wrong conduct in which he himself got involved.

    And they know this...HOW?? Who said Lot was ever aware of what happend that night at all???

    Also, isn't Uzzah doomed to remain dead for all enternity now? According to the WTS view that anyone directly executed by God doesn't deserve a resurrection?? How about the all the Israelites that were executed by God after David took his census? I think this puzzel is missing some of its pieces.

  • willyloman
    willyloman
    I wonder how many Elders and MS who think they can "change things from the inside" are going to take this to heart and get out of the way?

    I know at least one who did

  • Blueblades
    Blueblades

    Par.23, The "APPROACHING" Great Tribulation ???????????????????????????????????

    The "COMING" New World ??????????????????????????????????????????????

    Where and how many times have we heard this before??????????????????????

    The "CARROT" must appear in every article like this, to side - track the rank and file.

    Blueblades

  • peacefulpete
    peacefulpete

    The whole article is classic circular reasoning. By disregarding the stories in which God does something immoral, god appears to always do what is right which justifies the conclusion that we should disregard the stories in which god does something immoral.

  • heathen
    heathen

    The only point I do agree with them anyway is that God cannot sin or be immoral . I would guess technically Lot did not sin because there was no mossaic law and the only covenant at the time was with abraham . Although I might never understand how a man can get so wasted and then have sex with his daughters . Any way I'm not going to sit through the study so the lame brains can believe whatever they want .

  • confusedjw
    confusedjw

    The *real* message - DON'T QUESTION GOD / DON'T QUESTION US.

    Things like the Uzzah incident do nothing, but keep people off balance. Like a capricious father which keeps his kids off balance with bizzare behavior.

  • Scully
    Scully
    we need to remember that because of our inherited sin, our sense of what is just and right is imperfect.

    hmmm, so are they saying that we need the Org to tell us what is right and wrong, what is just and injust? Are they saying that we cannot decide for ourselves what is righteous and unrighteous? Are they saying that the FDS is less imperfect (or made more closely in God's image) than we are so as to be able to decide these things on our behalf?

    How much more condescending can they get??

    Bastards.

  • Will Power
    Will Power

    I can't help but think that with the pending trial of Barbara Anderson, her and the likes of Bill Bowen would be labelled as Uzzahs trying to steady the ark, and fix it themselves. Same goes for the Blood reformers.

    By using this Uzzah story, any witness who in theory would side with the Silentlambs' need for open truth & policy reform - will now have to think twice about the dF'g of these.

    This articles tries to impress upon the reader that the R&F don't know all the facts regarding the law-suits, but that they should trust that these "trouble-makers" or ARK touchers were DF'd by god's appointed leaders for good reason. Just like any of the UN rumors going around.

    The web is full of people who think & say the witnesses have the truth but there are things that need adjusting. The more these "ones" investigate and advertise the more they find that the truth is NOT found in Brooklyn, or in its tangled web of self appointed authority.

    This is an unbelievable piece of work.

    Thanks blondie

    Will

  • heathen
    heathen
    we need to remember that because of our inherited sin, our sense of what is just and right is imperfect.

    I think we do need to keep in mind that the human justice system is based on the theory that somebody who wants compensation for a wrong done to them will show up to court with an attorney and actually tell the truth over an episode where they were wronged and that a group of people will then decide some sort of punishment based on their own opinion of fair play . I think we've also learned that a good defense can get people out of all sorts of trouble that they lied about to begin with as well .(OJ simpson) . There is nothing perfect about the justice system . The WTBTS claims they use biblical grounds for their guide lines involving the dfing policy but clearly goes beyond what is written in many cases . I do think they believe they are trying to keep jehovahs name from being defamed but in many cases leave people feeling he is merciless . Personally I would rather believe something from the bible than believe what the WTBTS has to say ( they are totally off on alot of doctrine ) I imagine they would jump up and announce that I would be UZZAH . LMAO The old let's shoot the messenger ........ They really do need some serious reform .

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