by sf 17 Replies latest jw friends
Um, then why did you all read it?
What on earth?! We read it because you posted it with a big, red icon and the heading "Wow!!" Therefore I thought you had found something of interest or of value to the exJW community. After I read it, and saw it was just the ravings of a mentally ill person, I realized you had once again not bothered to take on the responsibility to filter out the garbage from the valuable.
I read your links because I wanted to see for myself how you have managed to drive away into deeper paranoia some very ill persons who have looked to you for help, thinking they could find the "truth" out there from YOU. How do I know? Because they have written me about it specifically.
You say you just put it out because it is there somewhere on the Internet. Well, who puts it out is who is responsible. If you want that responsibility, keep putting it out, it's a free country.
I hope those persons are safe and will not harm themselves. They are in dire need of therapy.
:: sKally, hell no, we won't go klass
No one wants you to go, just to use better judgement.
Maximus
Yes Maximus, I am well aware of at least one of those emailers. And it's appreciated.
Wow! Now how is it that you know, AS FACT, that this "poster" is mentally ill? Is that fair to label him/her? How do you KNOW? By the "words"? Words can be and are deceiving, especially on the internet. If you see mental illness here, I'd like to see a doctors report along with that STATED FACT you have made here in public.
The fact here, is YOU believe, NOT KNOW, that this person is mentally ill. Until you can prove it to ME, I will BELIEVE otherwise; until I have solidly concluded for myself...however that might be.
I advice people in the future, if the post makes you nervous upon seeing the title/subject and identity of poster (sf) (and yes, i will label them better so you can skip them over...no more WOWS) to skip by them all together.
But you will have to gag me to shut me up
on this subject.
sKally
sf,
I have read the writings of known schiziophrenics on many ocassions. I have taught students over the last fifteen years, about the causes and symptoms of schizophrenia. I have administered pscycological tests to schizophrenics. Thus, I am very familiar with them.
The diary I read contained delusions of persecution, grandiur and reference, all standard features of schizophrenic writing.
Now, if you would like to propose an alternate hypothesis, please do so. Please explain in detail, rather than with a flip remark, like: well, I just don't agree.
If you want further cooberation, I can have the diary printed out and submitted to some diagnosticians, or, you can do so it you know any.
The fact here, is YOU believe
No, skally, we know. After you have seen it enough times, you begin to recognize the same patterns all over again.
Skally, stop being so credulous. If you believe everything, you won't know anything.
Hey Skally,
I have a good friend who's son (about 35) just got out of the mental hospital with schizophrenia. A handsome, blond, young man - highly intelligent, mild mannered, who will probably live with his father as long as his father can handle it.
The father tricks the son into taking his meds - because the son doesn't think he needs them - an evil scheme by the government & doctors.
The father supports the son because the son can't keep a job because he won't take his meds. When on meds, he's a great salesman, electrician, several other things. When off, he walks around talking with persons no one else sees.
I wrote on this forum a couple of months ago how the son ended up in the Mental Hospital. He loves the Internet. Was on some FBI site giving articles on Mind Control (because he thinks the FBI is doing this to him.) Came to a page which said was not accessible unless security clearance. He figured out how to bypass it and did. He then read the material, did not agree with the author, and called him at the FBI office. They asked how he was able to read the information. Being honest, he told them.
The FBI called mental hospital and told them to pick up the caller "for observation." They came knocking on his door, and the son ended up with a free three week vacation courtesy of the US Government at "Bull Street Mental Hospital". Btw, he had no choice - and he was not invited to pack any clothes.
The man, Charles, is free now, supposed to take his meds, doesn't, and basically just a misfit. No one can seem to help him.
But his dad won't let him use his computer anymore. Don't blame the dad on that one.
Can a passerby immediately see that the son is mentally ill? Not unless he talks to himself. Other than that, just conversing with him, what he talks about, how he talks about it, are the only clues that "all is not right."
Such a shame. Btw, his mother is on the same meds. She thinks Satan and his demons follow her. Her ex-husband agrees with her on that one.
waiting
Waiting,
Thanks for the update. I was wondering the outcome of his "trip." So, the father did not have to pay for the hospital stay? I think that is great, after all he holds so much responsibility as it is.
wendy
In a controversy the instant we feel anger, we have already ceased striving for the truth, and have begun striving for ourselves.
Hey wendy,
No, I asked the dad about it and he said no bill was rendered. They wouldn't turn loose of the son until the father came and picked him up. The father said "I didn't bring him there (an hour away) - you bring him back."
The hospital said "we didn't bring him here voluntarily, the FBI said "go get him." Father said "Get them to bring him back."
You would have to know the father - everybody rolls their eyes at him and just say "Shut up, Charles." Really intelligent, just things never work out for him. Generational fu*k up, as the saying goes.
Anyway, the father finally went and got the son upon release, and the son lives with him. The son understands the meds help him, but can't stand to take them. Father feels it's a stand for independance - the son gives up his own life to become like his mother - dependant on drugs. What the son doesn't get is that he's already like his mother.
I worked with his son for a while. Typical male thing, but an ok guy, quite handsome and smart. If it wasn't for those pesky invisible people talking to him (which he interrupts himself talking so that he can answer them, then goes back to talking to the visible person - who just sits there squinting at him), he would seem quite normal.
Some people just seemed screwed in life, ya know?
Thanks for the comments, Wendy.
waiting
