First elder in two years -

by AK - Jeff 10 Replies latest jw friends

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    The only elder I have any respect for in the congregation came by tonight - haven't had a visit from any for two years or so. I suspected that he was either a decoy - trying to get me to say something that would cook my goose - or he had good motives trying to invite me to Memorial. Any other elder and I would have said get lost, but this guy and I have been friends since 1970. He is always welcome in my house and I just couldn't turn him away. Besides if they decide to Df me sometime he is one of the few I would like to know how I really feel before it gets all twisted into lies and gossip in the congregation. Nonetheless, I didn't know what to expect.

    Turns out he wanted to invite me to memorial - but we got talking about other matters and all of a sudden I find myself basically 'witnessing ' to him about what I know about the 'truth'. I took it real cool and collected though and made sure not to raise too much ire. I made sure he knows we don't attend any other church, and that we still considered ourselves Christians, though not witnesses.

    The discussions never got heated - but he did get a little defensive when I showed him a copy of the UN press release. He thought it was false. [expected that of course] I ask him how it was that if Joe Publisher joined the Y to get some exercise he would be held accountable, but if the WTS joined the UN as NGO it was just excused away as imperfection and a mistake. He said - and this was classic - well remember how Jehovah put up with Israel through all she did? I reminded him that the end of Israel was destruction for having stepped over the line. His answer was - get this - well if she goes down I go down with her then.. Can you believe that? The old 'My religion, right or wrong.' stuff.

    All in all it went well - I even spent some time tying to defuse the 'apostate' issue by letting him know that I did not agree with some things now, but I just wanted a personal relationship with Christ. I pointed to John 14:6 repeatedly in that regard.

    I had warned wifey that this might happen and to be prepared if the next wave hits - because the rest of the elders would give me the big Heave-Ho without a thought. Most likely scenario I suppose.

    Tired of flying under the radar anyway now. He told me at one point that I sounded like a Church of Christ minister he met once that had an answer for everything he said.

    I was very calm and I think that might have impressed him - but my ass is hanging out there now.

    I concluded the conversation with "you know I will always love you, brother." He returned the same.

    Stay tuned for the next shoe to fall. If it is going to, it will be fairly soon I think.

    Jeff

  • Bryan
    Bryan

    Jeff,

    Glad you got to witness a little, but I imagine you can expect another knock in a day or two with two elders there to accuse you of appostacy.

    He, of course, would take it lightly, he needed another elder present have the proof needed.

    Hopefull your words will make him think.

    Best regards,

    Bryan

    Have You Seen My Mother

  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    if it was not so sad it would be funny

  • watchtowerhater
    watchtowerhater

    Jeff

    I too had a phone call from my fleshly brother who is an Elder. Which seemed strange, since he has not picked up the phone to call me in 8 yrs or so. Since being DF'd my family has shunned me completely. He of course just spoke of superficial things really, asking how my girls were. Told me that my nephew (his son) would be getting married soon. Said he had been trying to get ahold of our Father (also DF'd) as well. He ends his conversation with reminding me of the Memorial coming up this Thursday. I thanked him but assured him I would not attend. In all these years my "Elder" brother has never phoned to invite me to the Memorial.

    I was wondering if this has anything to do with the new announcement this week in the KM. Apparently the Organized to Accomplish our Ministry book was replaced yesterday with a New Book "Organized to do Jehovah's Will". With this new book, there is a new change in the procedure of handling DF'd and DA people. Perhaps it is just coincidental. Just couldn't help but wonder if there was a connection to all this, or perhaps it is just a simple invitation to the Memorial.

  • Bryan
    Bryan

    Welcome watchowerhater!

    Bryan

    Have You Seen My Mother

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    Hi Watchtowerhater - and Welcome to the forum.

    Well, there have been several threads here regarding the new 'Organized' book. According to the quotes I have seen from the book on this forum the changes seem fairly superficial as first blush.

    I suspect that the real issue is an effort to 'bolster' the numbers with a large Memorial crowd - at least give the dubpubs something positive to hang onto - the service report for last year was nothing positive for them. I find it surprizing to hear that your brother contacted you to make such an invite - I don't think that is normally done to DF'd persons.

    Maybe there has been a BOE letter that is really pushing memorial attendance.

    Welcome again -

    Jeff

  • Crumpet
    Crumpet

    Welcome to the forum watchtowerhater! Have you been lurking and just decided to post or just came across this site by accident?

    Hope to enjoy lots mroe posts from you!

    crumpet

  • orangefatcat
    orangefatcat

    Dear friend I have to admitt I love what you told the elder, they are an excellent examples of comebacks to the witnesses. I loved how you didn't back down.

    The discussions never got heated - but he did get a little defensive when I showed him a copy of the UN press release. He thought it was false. [expected that of course] I ask him how it was that if Joe Publisher joined the Y to get some exercise he would be held accountable, but if the WTS joined the UN as NGO it was just excused away as imperfection and a mistake. He said - and this was classic - well remember how Jehovah put up with Israel through all she did? I reminded him that the end of Israel was destruction for having stepped over the line. His answer was - get this - well if she goes down I go down with her then.. Can you believe that? The old 'My religion, right or wrong.' stuff.

    Such excellent points and I plan on using the one of the YMCA. You got your thinking cap on. Just great.

    And welcome to the forum. Hope to read further postings by you.

    Glad your aboard.

    Always.

    Orangefatcat

  • Country_Woman
    Country_Woman

    Jeff, thanks for letting us know.

    Maybe the time was just to short for him to digest all you told him...

    Maybe he is going to think it all over - and maybe he is going to join us one of these days in the future.

    Meanwhile I am afraid you can expect other visitors.......

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    Country Woman -

    I certainly suspect you are on point there! I have been playing the 'be careful so as not to upset the apple cart' game too long now. I don't like the duplicity of that much. Anyways, my flesh and blood brother died a while back, basically leaving just a cousin who I love dearly still in the organization. I was holding out to avoid DF'ing for his sake, but I think he will never let go of the fantasy, so I need to move on. I hope he would not shun me, but suspect he will.

    I want to re-establish life now on the outside. If they let me slip thru the cracks - fine. If they move against me - fine also. At 50 this year, making friends and getting a new social structure is hard enough to do - I just need to get going on that before I am just too isolated due to age to get started.

    What an awful chapter this organization makes us start in our lives just to say we wish not to be part of this religion any longer.

    Thanx for all your thoughts, guys and gals.

    Jeff

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