I think many people grow up as JWs, and have family members who are JWs, but don't associate themselves. When asked about what they believe, they still believe the Witness teachings and consider it their religion. That happens a lot in the more main-stream religions, but not so with high-control groups. If Michael Jackson believes the teachings of the WT, and if asked what is his religion, what should he say? In matters of religion, I think we are what we believe even if we're not a card-carring JW, Baptist, etc. It would have been better if Jesse Jackson said MJ has the Jehovah Witness belief, but does not attend their meetings. But why would a person who has never been a JW say such a thing?
Jesse Jackson thinks Michael is a traditional Christian and a good JW
by Dogpatch 29 Replies latest jw friends
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Doubtfully Yours
A Jehovah's Witness he's not!
Isn't Rev. Jackson the one that was counseling Clinton on his infidelity while at the same time doing his secretary himself???!!!
Reverend Jackson is grossly misinformed, and it's to be expected. He's as much a Christian as Michael Jackson is a JW. NOT!!!
DY
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BONEZZ
Does he mean "traditional" in the sense of carrying on the JW "tradition" of child abuse?!
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Doubtfully Yours
BONEZZ,
Please get off your soap box already.
JWs do not have a tradition of child abuse. Just like in any other group or organization, yes there are all kinds of people. The WTBTS tries to deal with the issue as best they can, but it's not always successful, really.
Just like in the justice system. Have you heard of the recent cases? There are procedures in place, but they don't always work.
So, give it a rest already.
DY
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Dogpatch
from Danny Haszard:
Just for the record,my estranged younger JW Brother Timothy Haszard's best friend John Endres of Naples Fla. saw and witnessed MJ's baptism in the baptismal pool around 1973-74. The Endres family went to Calif. that summer and went to the Calif DC. We all chatted about it for a long time,in the early to mid 1970;s the Jackson 5 were dormant or it would have been bigger news.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion,but not their own facts".D.M. Watchtower Whistleblower: http://www.DannyHaszard.com Jehovah's Witnesses are a destructive cult! -
RevMalk
Yes, Jackson was disassocited in the mid 1980s under the old arrangement that allowed for the disassociation of non baptized publishers, which was the equivalent of the disfellowshipping of a baptized witness.
If this is the case, then he's not DF'd now. Those that were DA'd under this rule were later paroled and pardoned. If he was baptized at the time, then he's DF'd, not DA'd. Right? Rev
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Here's a quote from Jackson published today on cnn.com:
In an interview with the radio program "Keep Hope Alive with the Rev. Jesse Jackson", Michael Jackson said, "I gain strength from God. I believe in Jehovah, God, very much. And I gain strength from the fact that I know that I am innocent.
creepy. bet the jehobo's are backing away from this one. lol.
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Yea Valis, I just heard that statement reported on cnn right now as I was reading this thread.
Incidently, what the hell happened to FIRPO CARR?
sKally
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Dogpatch
Jackson declares innocence, says he's victim of conspiracy
Modesto Bee, CA - 22 minutes ago
... Monday. "I gain strength from God. I believe in Jehovah God very much," said Jackson, who is a Jehovah's Witness. "Probably the ...Jackson declares innocence, says he's victim of conspiracy
Monterey County Herald, CA - 37 minutes ago
... Monday. "I gain strength from God. I believe in Jehovah God very much," said Jackson, who is a Jehovah's Witness. "Probably the ...Jackson declares innocence, says he's victim of conspiracy
Dateline Alabama, AL - 37 minutes ago
... Monday. "I gain strength from God. I believe in Jehovah God very much," said Jackson, who is a Jehovah's Witness. "Probably the ...Jackson declares innocence, says he's victim of conspiracy
JOHN ROGERS
Associated PressLOS ANGELES - Michael Jackson, declaring he is "completely innocent," said Sunday his trial on child molestation charges has brought him to the lowest emotional point of his life, and he asked his fans around the world to pray for him.
During an interview with the Rev. Jesse Jackson, the entertainer also said he believes he is the victim of a conspiracy, although he declined to elaborate, citing the court-imposed gag order that prevents him from discussing his trial in detail. Jackson added, however, that he believes he is the latest of several "black luminaries" to be unjustly accused, citing former South African President Nelson Mandela and former heavyweight boxing champions Muhammad Ali and Jack Johnson as others.
"I just want to say to fans in every corner of the Earth, every nationality, every race, every language, I love you from the bottom of my heart," Jackson said toward the end of the hourlong interview broadcast live over the Internet. "I would love your prayers and your goodwill, and please be patient and be with me and believe in me because I am completely, completely innocent. But please know a lot of conspiracy is going on as we speak."
Jackson also said at one point that he remains in "intense pain" after falling in the shower earlier this month, although he said at another point that his health was perfect. The entertainer arrived late to court on March 10, wearing pajama bottoms, a T-shirt and walking stiffly. His representatives said at the time he had been treated at a hospital for a serious back injury.
"I was coming out of the shower and I fell and all my body weight - I'm pretty fragile - all my body weight fell against my rib cage," Jackson said. "And I bruised my lung very badly."
He said the injury has caused him to cough up blood and was so painful that it brought him to tears in court one day when he was seen wiping his eyes with a tissue. He added that he remains under a doctor's care.
Earlier in the interview, when the reverend noted how thin he is, Jackson replied that he has never been a big eater, something he said has always concerned his mother and others, including actress Elizabeth Taylor, a friend.
"Elizabeth Taylor used to feed me, to hand-feed me, at times," he said.
"Please, I don't want anybody to think I'm starving, I'm not." he quickly added. "My health is perfect, actually."
The entertainer also denied recent rumors that he is teetering on the verge of bankruptcy.
"That's not true at all. It's just one of their many schemes to embarrass me. It's to drag me through the mud," he said.
He did indicate there is some sort of battle under way over the music catalog he owns that contains the rights to songs by the Beatles, Little Richard and others, but he declined to elaborate.
"There's a big fight going on, right now as we speak, about that," he said. "I can't comment on it, but there's a lot of conspiracy out there."
The first 40 minutes of the interview were given over to an upbeat Jackson reminiscing warmly about his career, his family and such childhood musical heroes as James Brown, Jackie Wilson, Sammy Davis Jr. and the Beatles.
He spoke of growing up in a household filled with music, and the reverend recalled first meeting the 46-year-old entertainer when Jackson was about 7 and arrived at his office in a station wagon with his brothers and father, who asked about booking the youngsters for a show.
The reverend told The Associated Press earlier this month that he and Jackson frequently pray together, and he told his audience Sunday that he speaks by phone with the entertainer nearly every day.
Jackson said prayer is helping him get through his trial, which resumes Monday.
"I gain strength from God. I believe in Jehovah God very much," said Jackson, who is a Jehovah's Witness.
"Probably the low point, the lowest point emotionally, is probably what I'm going through," he replied when asked the lowest point in his life.
He said the high point was when he recorded his much-heralded "Thriller" album of 1982. He set out to make it a disco version of Tchaikovsky's "The Nutcracker Suite," and believes he succeeded, Jackson said, noting it won eight Grammys and was the biggest-selling record of all time.
"I would say that was the pinnacle," he said.
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Leolaia
Just minutes ago, Jackson friend Stacy Brown was on the Dan Abrams show (MSNBC) and he talked a lot about MJ going to the Kingdom Hall yesterday. He said that he himself is a JW and that MJ used to be a JW. He said that MJ brought his three kids to the Kingdom Hall for the meeting, and apparently did not have his own Bible and after the meeting, there was a little confusion about whose Bible MJ was using.
So is he trying to get reinstated?