Every time I read a thread like this I feel a hate crime coming on and I have to go calm down. If there is a final accounting I would give a lot to be there when the assholes from Brooklyn go before the judge and have their sins read off.
New CO final Talk
by stillajwexelder 29 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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hillary_step
No - if you have clinical depression get help from a phsycologist or phsychiatrist many of our brothers are in these professions - and it is like having diabetes or other illness we would not hesitate to go to a doctor so too if we have a mental illness we should go to a doctor and not feel guilty about it
Typical WTS revisionism. They *now* make their adherents feel unreasonable *not* going to a professional for such help. Many of us remember the days when the WTS was clearly against the use of psychiatrists etc. and made it obvious to the congregations that such help, from mainly 'atheistic' practioners would not be helpful to the faithful Jehovah's Witness. One can only imagine the torment and misery that thousands lived in for many years listening to such advice. Now, once again the scenario is presented in such a way to make the publishers feel guilty for having been unreasonable in the past and avoiding medical health practioners. It is their fault again! The WTS has a perfect solution for such matters - heads I win, tails you lose. HS
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xjw_b12
Actually this is a timely talk.
Coming on the heels of "The Special Announcement" where the new OD book was released, highlighting Drive Thru DFings and baptism and dedication to the Org, as well as tonights Unmemorial, where Millions of newly outfitted JWs will go to the KH to ignore Jesus, a talk on Depression seems quite appropiate.
xjw_b12 GotRand?
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blondie
The WTS has had pointed articles about depression and talks by COs in the past. It makes good copy but is it put in practice. Will the elders be suggesting that people go to a psychologist or a psychiatrist? Or will they do the same song and dance that you don't have to go outside the congregation to get help? Nothing changed the last go round and inside the congregation and outside people with mental illness are still labeled and stereotypes abound.
The elders don't want the publisher airing their mistakes to a "worldly" person. They don't want non-witnesses to know that things aren't perfect in the JW spiritual paradise.
It is much the same philosphy as reporting child abuse; will the elders be telling people they can report it to he secular authorities?
Blondie (not impressed)
Actions speak louder than words
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iiz2cool
I know a JW who was a victim of sexual abuse as a child, and it was covered up. She wanted to see a psychiatrist, but was wary of them, so one was recommended by a bethelite. This shrink was "worldly" but had been used by bethel in the past. She had 2 or 3 sessions with this guy and it just made matters worse. He tried to convince her that she, as a preschooler, somehow provoked the sexual attention.
Not surprising that bethel would use this sort of medical "professional", eh?
I wish I could remember the bastard's name.
Walter
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hillary_step
Not surprising that bethel would use this sort of medical "professional", eh?
I wish I could remember the bastard's name.
Greenlees?
HS
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Big Tex
Many of us remember the days when the WTS was clearly against the use of psychiatrists etc. and made it obvious to the congregations that such help, from mainly 'atheistic' practioners would not be helpful to the faithful Jehovah's Witness
Yep, that's pretty much what I heard in the mid to late 80s. I remember telling an elder I was seeing a psychologist and his reaction was hostile, "We can't do that!". I also remember trying to get a couple of sisters in our hall and in another congregation to see a therapist who was trained in treating adult survivors of abuse and they were so frightened of the (1) elders' reaction and (2) the congregation's reaction. They didn't want to be ostracized. One of them told me that they had seen what had happened to me (being shunned) and they didn't think they could handle it. My family even tried to get the elders to take judicial action against me for seeing a worldly therapist.
HS you make a good point in how the Society phrases this New Light as if this has been their oh-so reasonable position all along and only the ignorance of the Great Unwashed kept them in the dark.
Chris
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undercover
Awake! 1960 March 8 p.27
As a rule, for a Christian to go to a worldly psychiatrist is an admission of defeat, it amounts to 'going down to Egypt for help.' ?Isaiah 31:1.
Often when a Witness of Jehovah goes to a psychiatrist, the psychiatrist will try to persuade him that his troubles are caused by his religion, entirely overlooking the fact that the Christian witnesses of Jehovah are the best-oriented, happiest and most contented group of people on the face of the earth. They have the least need for psychiatrists. Also, more and more psychiatrists are resorting to hypnosis, which is a demonic form of worldly wisdom.
Awake! 1975 August 22 p.25
Is the turning of people from the clergy to the psychiatrists a healthy phenomenon? No, for it really is a case of jumping from the frying pan into the fire. They are worse off than they were before... That [psychologists and psychiatrists] are not the ones to go to for help when one is depressed and beset with all manner of problems is to be seen from the fact that suicides among them are twice as frequent as among the population in general... what is needed at such times is not worldly psychiatrists who may wholly ignore the change that the truth and God's holy spirit have made in one's life and who know nothing of their power to help one put on a new Christian personality. Rather, what is needed at such times is a mature Christian in whom one has confidence and who is vitally interested in one's welfare and who will not shrink back from administering needed reproof or counsel so that one may get healed.
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Jahna
"You need to read your bible more, get out in service more and be at all the meetings."
That is the cure from everything from a hangnail to death. Geessh and you wonder why people are depressed!
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Shania
That Awake article is what aided my mothers nevous breakdown where the police had to come and bring her to the looney bin for a 3month stay..............SHE REFUSED TO TAKE HER MEDICATION because she thought it was messing her mind up with the demons..................she was very afraid of the demones infecting her household-----------thank you WT Society that was the saddess summer us 5 kids had. But the postive my father blamed her breakdown on the religion and packed away all the "demon" literchure............and said no more of this in our house YEAH FOR DADDY!!!!!!!!!!!! he is smarter than mom at this point........................bad advice from a society who has no business giving medical advice about something THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.