Is it ok to be critical of the pope yet????????? (page 5)

dh

Do you honestly think that people won't be offended if we criticise the pope after he's dead? Ha. Maybe we should establish, right now, an appropriate mourning period. Something that suit EVERYONE'S tastes.

What I say doesn't stem from whether people are offended or not, I just think it is distasteful (to me) to talk badly about, and criticise someone when they are dying. My personal view of it, is that it is an ugly thing to do. What benefit is it to anyone to criticise someone when they are dying.

tyydyy

Auntie Jane, Those were inaccuracies. Perfect opportunity to have a discussion and correct them. I don't think anyone could say that it was hate speech. Come on. "Perhaps you should look at the JW traits you yourself might still have hanging on." That's one of the main reasons I'm posting on this discussion forum. I don't expect everyone to agree with my points. If fact, I actually hope that there will be some who disagree. That makes for great discussions. TimB

stillajwexelder

What makes him so special - he is the head of the Roman Catholic Church and over 1 billion soulso nthis planet owe their theorectical allegiance to him

tyydyy

I just think it is distasteful (to me) to talk badly about, and criticise someone when they are dying.

Why? Why not? I still haven't heard anyone say why it's in poor taste to criticise someone who's dying as opposed to someone who's already dead.

purplesofa

Why? Why not? I still haven't heard anyone say why it's in poor taste to criticise someone who's dying as opposed to someone who's already dead.

Its like .........Kicking someone when they are down.......or hitting below the belt.

sorry.........I hope no one is close to you when you are dying and dislikes you and choses to exercise their freedom of speech

jaffacake

I don't mind threads like this, after all I'm posting on this one, and did the last.

I have just started studying with a JW, and I thought I had an agreement with this guy that neither of us would attack other religions. He keeps breaking this agreement. I can't understand why he feels it important to prove something false, when I already know it to be false. Perhaps he thinks that makes him more right.

I have no problem exchanging views about the Pope, but the way it is so emotive reminds me of my study with this JW. I'm going to try once more to persuade him to ignore the negativity of criticising other religions, and spend more time on something a bit more positive.

dh

Why? Why not? I still haven't heard anyone say why it's in poor taste to criticise someone who's dying as opposed to someone who's already dead.

I guess that is one of many things you just have to 'get' and if you don't 'get it', then you don't. You asked a question, I gave my thoughts, it's not my fault you don't understand them, but in all honesty I think you understand completely why it's poor taste, if you didn't already understand, you wouldn't have started this topic in the first place would you.

Is it ok to be critical of the pope yet?????????

If you think it's ok, then go ahead and do it, why ask.

bikerchic

tyydyy:

Why? Why not? I still haven't heard anyone say why it's in poor taste to criticise someone who's dying as opposed to someone who's already dead.

For me it's all about Karma Tim, plain and simple. It evokes and reeks of negativity and who needs all that negativity in their life? Not me!

criticise

\Crit"i*cise\ (kr?t"?-s?z), v. t. [imp. & p. p. Criticised (-s?zd); p. pr. & vb. n. Criticising.] [Written also, more analogically, but less commonly, criticize.] [Cf. G. kritisiren. See Critic.] 1. To examine and judge as a critic; to pass literary or artistic judgment upon; as, to criticise an author; to criticise a picture.

2. To express one's views as to the merit or demerit of; esp., to animadvert upon; to find fault with; as, to criticise conduct. --Blackwood's Mag.

criticise

\Crit"i*cise\, v. i. 1. To act as a critic; to pass literary or artistic judgment; to play the critic; -- formerly used with on or upon.

Several of these ladies, indeed, criticised upon the form of the association. --Addison.

2. To discuss the merits or demerits of a thing or person; esp., to find fault.
Cavil you may, but never criticise. -- Pope.

criticise

v 1: find fault with; express criticism of; point out real or perceived flaws; "The paper criticized the new movie"; "Don't knock the food--it's free" [syn: knock, criticize, pick apart ] [ant: praise] 2: act as a critic; "Those who criticize others often are not perfect, either" [syn: criticize]

It's like my Mama always said; remember when you are pointing your finger at someone three more are pointing back at you. IMHO those who like to tear down look the fool.

It's simply in bad taste Tim. You can have a discussion about a person without being critical of the person you are discussing, try it.

Here is a discussion that follows the above Tim:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/88180/1.ashx

Kate

Serenity Now

Stromboli writes: "They just saw him as an old man, definately not their leader, remember that only few give a shit about what he says."

Hmmm. Where did this "fact" come from? Most of the Catholics I know revere JPII and are proud that he has continued to work and be their spiritual leader, regardless of his physical limitations. JPII has shown people, by his example, the value of a life even if it's been compromised by illness. JPII is definitely their leader. That's why there are 250,000 people crowded together in St. Peter's Square right now holding a vigil as he dies.

I don't know about Italy but I know that in the U.S. 80% or more of Catholics do use contraception but they also are fully aware that JPII has reminded them that it's considered a sin in the Catholic church. The difference is, if they decide to break the rules, they don't have to go before a judicial committee.

People who contracept, etc., are called "cafeteria-style Catholics" by the faithful, meaning that they pick and choose what beliefs of the Church they want to accept for themselves and what beliefs they want to ignore.

John Paul II has reminded people who want the Catholic Church to change its stance on topics such as contraception that, unlike the JW's, the Church hasn't had "new light" and doesn't have the authority to arbitrarily change the rules every ten years. If people don't like the rules and choose to ignore them, that's their decision. The fact that JPII has remained staunch and faithful to the teachings of the church has earned him a lot of respect and admiration from people who admire integrity.

Regarding whether or not it's okay to trash someone who is dying and all the questions about who decides taste, one thing is certain: it's bad manners. Would you stand around at a wake and talk badly about the person in the casket? Of course not because it would be rude.

siegswife

Putting the discussion of censorship aside, I thought that it was ok to be critical of the pope at any time.

That said, I think JP2 isn't a bad guy. He got a gig as a SuperStar and didn't do too bad of a job. He wasn't misleading anyone who doesn't want to be misled in that particular direction since people don't really believe what they don't really believe anyway. I think the existance of this board demonstrates that point.

It must suck to be him right now...dying with no family around...just the whole freaking world (and some ambitious vultures) waiting for him to die. I'm betting that he's on a morphine drip or something to expedite the process. Poor guy. He's obligated to die at this point.

Is it ok to be critical of the pope yet?????????

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