I'll bet you thought JWs would be a hardliner on gambling...

by ezekiel3 25 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • ezekiel3
    ezekiel3

    ...then you thought wrong. Check out this piece from the Deseret Morning News of Utah:

    Source: http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,600124742,00.html

    Virtue in Sin City
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    Las Vegas can be good, clean fun if you keep your wits about you

    By Lynn Arave
    Deseret Morning News

    Food, thrill rides, water parks, museums, exotic animals and huge shopping malls. What more could you want in a family vacation?


    There are plenty of family-friendly places to visit in Las Vegas ? and a lot that are not so family-friendly.
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    Jessica Berry, Deseret Morning News
    But to get to these attractions you'll have to navigate noisy casino floors, cross paths with scantily clad cocktail waitresses and dodge men who aggressively hand out pornography on the street.
    Welcome to Las Vegas. Does your clergyman know you're here?
    He may be sitting next to you. Richard Wolf, an elder in the North Salt Lake congregation of the Jehovah's Witnesses, enjoys an occasional visit to the Strip. Wolf joins other Salt Lake Valley religious leaders in saying it's possible to stay true to one's principles in Sin City ? a good thing since it's no more than half a day's drive from anywhere in Utah.
    The decision to visit Las Vegas is a matter of personal conscience, Wolf says. But, he cautions, "Don't put yourself in harm's way."
    That seems to be the prevailing attitude of local clergy: It's OK to visit, but be careful.
    Bishop George H. Niederauer of the Catholic Diocese of Salt Lake City liked the family-friendly emphasis of a few years ago ? and he's noticed a sea change in the city's current marketing campaign.
    "But, now I've seen the ads, 'What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas,' like it's a free zone for misbehavior," Bishop Niederauer said.
    There is no free zone, religious leaders say, so don't expect to check in your principles at the city-limits sign. And be prepared to be vigilant.
    "I think they need to protect their spiritual life," said the Rev. Mike Gray, senior pastor of Salt Lake's Southeast Baptist Church. "It does have a lot to draw you away from your convictions. . . . Gambling is addictive and the lights are bright."
    It helps to know one's limits, even plan ahead.
    Visitors to the Strip should not be compulsive about gambling and perhaps set a strict budget if they are going to gamble, said the Rev. Steve Goodier of Christ United Methodist Church in Salt Lake.
    "Using $20 for entertainment is OK," he said.
    The Rev. Art Ritter of Salt Lake's First Congregational Church said he has never been to Las Vegas. He said his faith teaches people to use their money wisely, so out-of-control gambling isn't smart. Those who have gambling addictions should definitely stay away, he said.
    "We do see gambling as a social problem," the Rev. Goodier said.
    The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints takes a particularly hard line against gambling, condemning it even when used solely as entertainment.
    "As it has been throughout its history, the church is against gambling in any form," LDS Church President Gordon B. Hinckley said earlier this month in the priesthood session of the church's general conference. "The pursuit of a game of chance may seem like harmless fun. But there attaches to it an intensity that actually shows on the faces of those who are playing. And in all too many cases this practice, which appears innocent, can lead to an actual addiction. The church has been and is now opposed to this practice."
    Ultimately, the LDS Church has no directive on visiting places like Las Vegas. That's left to personal choice.
    There is a precedent for Mormons in Las Vegas. LDS Church members established the first settlement in Las Vegas in 1855, after Spanish explorers had discovered the area decades earlier. Many church members live there today.
    Boulder City ? another city with considerable LDS member influence, tucked away about 24 miles southeast of Las Vegas ? is the only town in Nevada where gambling is illegal.
    Other faiths have made their mark in Sin City, too. Roman Catholics have a "guardian angel" just off the Las Vegas Strip.
    The Guardian Angel Cathedral sits a few hundred feet off the Strip, across from the Stardust Casino. The cathedral of the Diocese of Las Vegas has been there for more than four decades, offers eight Masses each weekend and regularly serves 1,100 resident households. On weekends, the cathedral attracts an average of 7,000 Catholics, about 75 percent of whom are tourists.
    The location was chosen for its convenience to casino and downtown workers. Catholic leaders wanted to show that God should still be a prominent part of life amid all the gaming and entertainment. The cathedral is more visible than ever in recent years, with some casinos rebuilding and opening up a better view of the church from the Strip.
    The Shrine of the Most Holy Redeemer, another Catholic Church built in 1993, is located near the south end of the Strip, behind the Luxor Casino.

    What Salt Lake religious leaders think about visiting Las Vegas

    LDS
    President Gordon B. Hinckley
    The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
    "As it has been throughout its history, the church is against gambling in any form."

    Baptist
    The Rev. Mike Gray
    Senior pastor of Southeast Baptist Church
    "I think (Las Vegas visitors) need to protect their spiritual life."

    Jehovah's Witnesses
    Elder Richard Wolf
    North Salt Lake congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses
    "It is probably a matter of personal conscience."

    Methodist
    The Rev. Steve Goodier
    Christ United Methodist Church
    "We (Methodists) see gambling as a social problem."

    Protestant
    The Rev. Art Ritter
    First Congregational Church
    "Those who have gambling addictions should stay away."

    Catholic
    Bishop George H. Niederauer
    Catholic Diocese of Salt Lake City
    "Las Vegas is portrayed as 'a free zone for misbehavior.'"

  • prophecor
    prophecor

    They'll be nailing his ass to the cross quickly, I'm sure, once this gets out!

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa

    Probably...........Probably.........PROBABLY!!!!!

    Jehovah's Witnesses Elder Richard Wolf
    North Salt Lake congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses
    "It is probably a matter of personal conscience."

    What a lame statement. He must have been drunk to even give any kind of a statement. I never heard it was probably a matter of personal conscience or that is a matter of personal conscience. It was worshipping the God of Good Luck.

    LDS President Gordon B. Hinckley
    The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
    "As it has been throughout its history, the church is against gambling in any form."

    This is a comment you would expect hear from a JW, especially an elder. I wonder how much longer he will be an elder.

  • ezekiel3
    ezekiel3
    They'll be nailing his ass to the cross quickly, I'm sure, once this gets out!

    Prophecor: Ahh, but you forget, JWs use a stake, no nails needed!

  • New Worldly Translation
    New Worldly Translation

    To be fair to Mr Wolf the article is written in such a way that it sounds as if he says gambling is a matter of personal conscience. However his only statement is that a visit to Las Vegas is a matter of personal judgement. What he said follows on from the context of the opening message of the article which states ' Food, thrill rides, water parks, museums, exotic animals and huge shopping malls. What more could you want in a family vacation?'

    I personally don't see anything wrong in gambling and do believe the org has double standards on the issue but I don't feel this particular article highlights that.

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa
    However his only statement is that a visit to Las Vegas is a matter of personal judgement.

    good point, I was deceived!

  • blondie
    blondie

    Actually, I have known of JWs who live in Las Vegas and they said some elders patrol the strip to find local JWs gambling and they are told to stay away from the casinos.. Evidently the rules don't apply to JW tourists.

    Conversation:

    Elder: Brother MS, I saw you in the Golden Nugget by a slot machine.

    MS: No, Brother Elder, I was just passing through on the way to the water ride (the buffet, my room).

    I know of elders in the midwest who routinely go to LV for vacation.

    Isn't that like taking a vacation in Sodom and Gomorrah according to the WTS.

    Quit touching the unclean thing

  • tijkmo
    tijkmo

    get a grip guys

  • Flash
    Flash
    Las Vegas Gambling can be good, clean fun if you keep your wits about you

    This news piece shows that there are Witnesses and others who know that gambling in itself is not wrong, the 'love of money' is. One does not equate to the other, it depends on whats in the individuals own heart. It is a conscience matter.

  • jula71
    jula71

    Brother Wolf, can we see you in the back room?

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