JW work situation (page 2)

Elsewhere

Pratt,

Your decision to not bring religion into this issue is a very good one. The instant you even say "religion" or "Jehover's Witness" you will make it a religious issue and bring in all sorts of of "freedom of worship" issues from Human Resources.

Keep referring to the issue as a "personal issue between employees".

If religion does come up, such as when you have to confront the antagonize, make sure you emphasize that you don't care what religion the person is and that all you care about is performance at work (what he does on his own time is none of your concern).

I would let the antagonize know that any issues he might have with the fading JW should stay out of the work place because it is affecting his and the other employees ability to work.

DazedAndConfused

Wow, tough position to be in. As I was reading this thread a few things struck me:

1) You are reluctant to reveal the things you know.

2) These 2 employees are having difficulty working together.

I would take it from a non-judgemental (sp) angle. I would first 'pull in' the fading dub and get his story. I would then 'pull in' the other employee. Get both sides of the story and see what happens.

On the surface, it would seem, that the fader may be in the wrong but that is what 'investigation' is all about. Get to the bottom of this. Bring them both in together if need be. Get to the bottom of it.

No matter what, you are tied to the laws in your country. Glean information from other experiences if you can.

Like you, I am seriously on the side of the fader, but who knows...maybe this person IS a slacker. Look at all angles. Be especially aware with this one. Good luck to you.

AlmostAtheist

Haven't thought this through, just mentioning it as a point to consider/discuss.

If the fading employee was instead going through a divorce or the loss of a spouse in death, you as a manager might suggest a book or web site that could help him deal with the loss. Especially would this be true if their work was noticeably suffering.

Would it be reasonable to suggest the fader check out Crisis of Conscience, or towerwatch.com? (I can see where suggesting this web site might not be the best course at the moment, considering this thread is here for him to read!)

The suggestions to not bring religion into the problem is reasonable, but the other side of that is the problem IS religious. The fader's work might improve if he could come to grips with his views.

Ugh. I don't like this no matter how I write it. Is there anything salvagable in this post?

Dave

pratt1

Well it hit the fan during lunch today.

Apparently the fader was DFed Friday night. The "Over Zealous Dub" announced this to several other employees and stated that she would no longer have any dealings with the fader.

She also revealed the nature of his "Sin".

Although I feel sorry for the fader, I now have something I can openly address. Since she made these comments openly I will formally reprimand the dub and warn her that any other comments about his personal life and her religious convictions and its effect on her work product will not be tolorated.

Refusal to comply will result in further disciplanary actions.

I've also decided to come clean about my past to the fader.

It's about time anyway. I realize I have some shame about my involvement with the dubs that I need to address.

AlmostAtheist

The "Over Zealous Dub" announced this to several other employees and stated that she would no longer have any dealings with the fader. She also revealed the nature of his "Sin".

There's 10-20 more people that will never consider becoming JW's. Even as a dub, it amazed me that there were JW's that would brag about the DF'ing arrangment, like people were going to ooo and ahh and commend them for that wonderful provision from Jehovah.

I'm glad it took a direction on its own, and one you can positively deal with.

Dave

adelmaal

Apparently the fader was DFed Friday night. The "Over Zealous Dub" announced this to several other employees and stated that she would no longer have any dealings with the fader.
She also revealed the nature of his "Sin".

This is considered harassment to the fullest extent in my book! She should definitely know that if she continues to harass her workmate her job will be in jeapardy... She's slandering the individual at work - religion or not.

I worked with a DF'd woman and a DA'd woman when I was a dub and I had no issues with them. I figured they deserved to be treated as anyone else would be at work and I did not bring my religious opinions into the workplace. Looking back now I'll bet they appreciated that. Some people can be so callous and immature!!!

Your fader workmate must be so stressed out right now and she has to go and make trouble for him/her at work as well... He/she has certainly got the makings of a lawsuit if this is not handled with her soon.

Scully

Apparently the fader was DFed Friday night. The "Over Zealous Dub" announced this to several other employees and stated that she would no longer have any dealings with the fader.
She also revealed the nature of his "Sin".
Although I feel sorry for the fader, I now have something I can openly address. Since she made these comments openly I will formally reprimand the dub and warn her that any other comments about his personal life and her religious convictions and its effect on her work product will not be tolorated.

You got it. She's slandering him and gossiping about him to his coworkers. It is tantamount to religious harassment. As far as "revealing the nature of his sin"... that is never directly announced when someone is DFd. The only thing that is said is "so-and-so is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses." Just recently a new procedure manual was given to all JWs with that directive - they cannot make a public statement to distinguish between being DFd or being DAd. Maybe she was privy to what is supposed to be confidential information, and she can be severely reprimanded by her congregation for disclosing that information. Or, she may just be speculating and spreading malicious gossip. Either way, I'm glad you're dealing with this the way you are.

AuntieJane

I'm very interested in hearing how this goes.

upside/down

No one is supposed to know why someone is DF'd- PERIOD!!!

oops... All DF'ings (in theory) are for ONE reason only...

Willfull unrepentant wrongdoing!

What a bunch of pubescent tattle-tales... I keep forgeting the average Dub is like an 8 year old, running to the hall monitors to "tell on you".

I smell SLANDER!

u/d

LongHairGal

Pratt:

You have an obligation to speak to them separately (keep it a secret that you were a dub, of course). Make it VERY plain to each of them (but especially to the over-righteous one) that they have an obligation to act professionally and not hinder any communication which would obstruct the normal flow of business.
I work in an office and am fully aware of the problems with dubs - both of the righteous variety and the un-righteous variety. There are problems with both, believe me! In each case I make them very well aware that I will not tolerate any over-stepping of their boundaries towards me. I tell them this is not the KH. I tell them they are on their own. I will not do favors for anybody because they are a dub. They also have no claim on me or my education, etc. ESPECIALLY since they don't really believe in education. Never mind their new light either!

I have come to realize that many of them are a liability to their employers (because of breaking confidences), etc. Maybe they should stick to cleaning toilets.

LHG

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