Can you be "just friends" ?

by ScoobySnax 42 Replies latest social relationships

  • ScoobySnax
    ScoobySnax

    Wow EF!! Yoy didn't masturbate for 18 months.........I think my best was about 18 hours.

    Thanks for your post, yes I did the same, tried to bury myself in the meetings and field service. It didn't really work as you found out. I kept myself in this sort of limbo asd I was growing up, you must know it, the one where you tell yourself you are just experiencing "homosexual feelings" ....and all the way through my teens. When I got to 22 I realised they weren't going away. You are so right, how annoying when others say this is a "life style/choice" I would never have chosen to be gay. Although I feel I've adjusted to it, I still cringe when I see openely camp people on the telly, or in life. You know the ones I mean. My friends at work tell me that they'd never know I was gay, apart from I dress nice....lol........its a funny life

    I hope moving in with this girl will work out, I am aware that she likes me, but I'm sure she knows the score about my sexuality.

    Bloody Life!!!!

    Scoob

  • EvilForce
    EvilForce

    Yeah...I think what helped me out Cruz is that I read ONLY the gospels when I decided to leave. I figured man... if Jesus was God or God's Son and knew that his apostles would be writing all of his instructions down he would make sure to talk about what REALLY was important. Jesus didnt' see fit to mention masterbation or homosexuality even once. He didn't talk about God's organization once. He SPENT HIS TIME preaching about God's glory, loving his neighbor, having discussions and debates amongst Jewish leaders / Philistine's. He didn't spend his time telling Peter how to set up the congregation once he passed on. The only congregational item he passed on was the rememberence of passover and the last supper.

    I explored Buhddism, Taoism, Hinduism, and Unitarianism. My belief in God is SO MUCH stronger today that when I was a JW. My God likes the fact that on a Sunday morning I get up early, go surfing, and while I'm in the water I look around and see all His beauty. I marvel at the water, and the birds flying over head. I truly give thanks for that. My God doesn't care that I'm not sitting in some formal KH bored stiff, acting as someone I am not.

  • ScoobySnax
    ScoobySnax

    Nina.....I totally agree with you about the money situation.

    We do spend alot of time together however. She has just come out of a messy divorce, she got her decree absolut a couple of months ago, she tells me she has no need to get into a relationship anytime soon......I don't have the urge to either. We have discussed the possibilites. We have decided to proceed legally, so that if we do go our own ways, its by law. We are very close in a platonic way. She's 30, I'm 34.

    I'm sick of renting and being by myself all the time, she is too. It just seems to make so much sense. Of course I have had to reign my family in, they all think I've gone suddenly straight at this announcement about getting a house together......

    I know its got lots of question marks over it.......but I just want to be happy and be making something of myself.

    Scoob

  • EvilForce
    EvilForce

    Scooby you mention that you cringe when you see queeny people on the Telly.

    While super effeminate men are not my thing either...those boys have an even tougher time than we did probably since at least you and I could pass for straight in a crowd.

    Also, in my own case that kind of behavior bothered me I think because I didn't like any of those tendencies in me...so it was really hating myself for those traits rather than not liking those "queeny" boys. Make sense?

  • cruzanheart
    cruzanheart

    After I left the Witnesses (Chris left 15 years before me and was a very patient fellow waiting for me to catch up), the kids and I read the Gospels at night too, and Jesus' very simple and beautiful message was so clear: love God, love your neighbor, and the rest will take care of itself. He did good to people as he found them. We try to do the same. Our Jennie, who is 11, is exploring Buddhism at the moment (but not very seriously -- I think it's just something different). Like you, my faith is stronger now that it's not clouded by rules and restrictions.

    Nina

  • ScoobySnax
    ScoobySnax

    It does. And they do make me laugh. Our hospital just took on a new Ward Manager alongside my ward and he is as camp as a row of tents, he does make me cringe sometimes, but other times he has me in hysterics........I think we'll get along just fine. LOL

    Scoob

  • CeriseRose
    CeriseRose

    I had friends I considered family...who did prove themselves through thick and thin, supporting me through some pretty difficult emotional times. I would NEVER have conceived of their not being in my life. I did help to support them financially (rightly or wrongly, I don't like seeing children going hungry and hey, we were all brothers and sisters in the congregation - you received free, give free, right?). I never loan money and expect to see it back. It's great if it happens, but not counted on.

    In the end, a business deal we were attempting fell through and they left me holding the financial bag. They didn't "mean" to, but then again they didn't "let their yes mean yes", nor were they honest in their business dealings with me to start with. For my part, I trusted them to deal with me as I was dealing with them. It didn't happen. When I forgave them for that action, they then stabbed me in the back and lied about me. They stole money and property from me.

    Since leaving JWs, I have chosen my "family", who include 3 lesbians in a polyamorous relationship, a variety of malcontents in varying degrees of emotional and financial stability, and my sweetie fiancé. I trust these people with my life, and love them to death, but wouldn't necessarily enter financial arrangements with them (well except the fiancé of course...).

    The lesson I learned was that friends can be fantastic but that no matter how long I've been friends with someone (they were 10 years!) I can never *really* know how things will turn out in various situations. Money is a big trigger situation.

    As for your ex, well mine stalked me for years so my feelings may not be as supportive (or unbiased) in the "should you see him" category.

    edit: Damn, y'all are moving quick on the thread! As long as you're both covering yourselves legally to the nth degree, and you both are aware going in, I think it's a good thing for you. Extracting yourself would probably be easier than a divorce and I understand completely not wanting to be alone. Best of luck to you!

  • littlerockguy
    littlerockguy

    Evil Force, you sound just exactly like me having been a JW for years and single and having to be celebate and gay and not being able to feel you can explore your sexuality and still feel guilty about it. This is my first post here and now I feel there are people out there like me who I can relate to. But getting back to the topic, men and women can just be friends. I remember when I was young that question coming up in the Young People Ask section of Awake and I had a best "girl friend" whom I have grown up with and that is all I could see in our future was just friends, her being like a sister. I couldn't for the life of me believe that "the society" had that point of view. I don't think I have been into a kingdom hall since 1996 so that is how long I have faded.

  • ScoobySnax
    ScoobySnax

    Nina......You know my past history on here, I don't think I could ever trash my JW past, it is just not in me. I have alot of affection for my fellow Witnesses. I have had enough time to think about things, yes I can attend the occasional meeting, but I know that to be true to myself, I have to stay away. The crazy thing is I still believe its the Truth. I can't drop that. and I don't want to. Its like a magnet to me sometimes.

    It's so hypocritical for me to make a stand on how I really am on other issues to, but well thats how I am. Its all part of me I guess....... LOL how messed up is that?!!! It's confusing being me sometimes!

    Scoob

  • ScoobySnax
    ScoobySnax

    Welcome littlerockguy. You are not alone

    Scoob

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