"I prayed for you" (page 9)

Princess

That having been said, I might be concerned for the poor goat.

Good point.

I think in a similar way, to that, too (though I do think there's a level of "care" involved).

Possibly. I doubt very much that God cares that I swore an awful lot yesterday and then ate a cookie. (I was swearing 'cause I ate breakfast too late and ran an awful 10K in Victoria, B.C.) I think some people would be down on their knees asking forgiveness. I actually had a great time after crossed the finish line and ulitimately ate the cookie.

If it wouldn't offend, I'd pray for ya.

What would you pray for? I guess that is the issue for me. I wonder what I've done that requires someone else's involvement.

But I wouldn't do it without your permission.

I appreciate that. I don't feel I need anyone's prayers and wonder why they think I do.

I am also curious about your 100% success rate. OK, honestly, I don't buy it unless you are going on the "sometimes the answer is no" premise....and then I still think it's rather flawed.

But that's just me.

Nice pics of the nephews BTW.

Hopeless??? Nawww!!!

I mean as far as me ever going back to a church of any kind. I do have a dark side though, so maybe I am hopeless.

Yup, pretty much.

LittleToe

Rachel:

I doubt very much that God cares that I swore an awful lot yesterday and then ate a cookie.

But did you give thanks to the cookie god?

What would you pray for? I guess that is the issue for me. I wonder what I've done that requires someone else's involvement.

What would you want praying for? Other people's involvement is often incurred when you want to evoke fellow feeling and/or don't feel like you're doing too well in prayer yourself. When sincere it's to do with selfless "sharing", not condescension (James.5:14).

On rare occasions prayer is actually a form of psychic self-defence (Luke 6:28).

I am also curious about your 100% success rate. OK, honestly, I don't buy it unless you are going on the "sometimes the answer is no" premise....and then I still think it's rather flawed.

Sometimes the answer has been a clear "no", and by that I don't mean silence. Another part of it is that for those kind of prayers I only pray when "moved" to do so. I can't describe the sensations, as they vary due to circumstance.

Nice pics of the nephews BTW.

Gorgeous, aren't they
Light of my life!

I mean as far as me ever going back to a church of any kind. I do have a dark side though, so maybe I am hopeless.

Each to their own. I suspect you find more spiritual experience on a run than do many who warm the pews.

As for your dark side, Steve would know more about that than I, though I do know that you have an evil streak when you get your hands on a chicken-chucker!!!
Beyond that, no comment

Princess

What would you want praying for?

I don't, that's my point.

I suspect you find more spiritual experience on a run than do many who warm the pews.

I suspect you're right.

As for your dark side, Steve would know more about that than I, though I do know that you have an evil streak when you get your hands on a chicken-chucker!!!

I don't know what came over me.

I should have said "rebellious" rather than dark. I am quite happy with me either way.

gumby

I don't wanna butt-in or anythin.........but would it be ok if I had a cookie or three?

*shoots a chicken in LT's eye*

Gumby

Crumpet

If someone says they are going to pray for me I want to know what they are praying for to happen to me so I ask them. If they manage to think of an answer to this, which isn't often, then I tell them that I'll verify if it comes true or not. When it doesn't come true, and it never does, then I let them know and ask if they'll now stop believing in the spirit in the sky who doesnt answer prayers.

LittleToe

Rachel:

What would you want praying for?

I don't, that's my point.

And the problem with this would be?

I am quite happy with me either way.

And so you should be Crumpet:
Is it really that annoying to non-Christians that they have to challenge the poor souls?
I'm genuinely amazed, but so be it... Gumby:
~OUCH!!!~

Crumpet

LT - yes it is that annoying.

It is grating and condescending in most cases when it is said to me. It is said by people to make themselves feel better about themselves in many cases. I'm not having some get their spiritual rocks off on my account. Plus I hate to think of some poor blighter on their knees praying for something I would sooner cut my head off than have come true. Of course if it did come true I'd let them know that as well though.... I just rather they spent that minute doing something more useful.

crumpet of the grumpy class today

LittleToe

Crumpet:

It is said by people to make themselves feel better about themselves in many cases.

It is?
How did you find that out? Did you enquire about that as well?

Do you find it similarly annoying when people talk you up, to their friends?
Do you challenge them about the nice things they said, and similarly embarrass them when they can't remember exactly what they said?

To many Christians prayer is chatting to a friend, and they mention people who they are genuinely concerned about. It's got little to do with condescension. If you believe that their friend doesn't even exist, then what's the harm, if that's your paradigm?

I just rather they spent that minute doing something more useful.

But that is surely their choice?

I'm not saying I agree with it, but I'm just showing another perspective.

Crumpet

It is said by people to make themselves feel better about themselves in many cases.

It is?
How did you find that out? Did you enquire about that as well?

Oh Ross you can tell when someone is being patronising without having to ask! I was careful to say "most" and "many" and not "all".

Would they like it if I said at the farewell juncture - hmm "I'm going to speak to be pyschiatrist about you"? No more, I suspect, than I like it when they say they will pray for me.

I don't see how my friends "talking me up" as anything whatsoever to do with this conversation...please elaborate?

Can I just stress here to avoid any confusion, that if someone is currently praying for me in the same sense that you ask father christmas for presents and I am the present then I would not resent that at all.!

LittleToe

Crumpet:

Oh Ross you can tell when someone is being patronising without having to ask!

You read minds?
You must have a right shower of folks around there if they tell you they're praying for you in a patronising tone. That would likely undermine the whole purpose that that kind of person usually says that kind of thing. I can honestly say that I've never heard anyone one use the phrase "I've been praying for you" as a weapon. As a JW I occasionally heard "I'll pray for your soul, that you might be spared from being damned", but that was a different matter.

I don't see how my friends "talking me up" as anything whatsoever to do with this conversation...please elaborate?

I thought I'd made it plain, but that just goes to show how communication can go awry...

This has nothing to do with Psychiatry, etc., unless you want to get really offensive and state that all believers should get their heads read.

It's a common thing for a group of friends to talk about someone they like. There's nothing malicious in it. In the same manner a Christian might speak to their "Friend", because believe it or not, most Christians aren't that formal in prayer. It isn't like the JW thing, where it can be a bit of rote and formula - folks get chatty and sometimes even angry with God...

...if someone is currently praying for me in the same sense that you ask father christmas for presents and I am the present then I would not resent that at all.!

So I can go ahead and send the letter to Lapland, then

"I prayed for you"

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