by Big Jim 18 Replies latest jw friends
Big Jim,
I don't understand how you could have been so active as a JW and not know the answers to the death of animals, where Cain got his wife, and--on your other thread--Jesus being God, hellfire, etc.
Were you really a JW--and why don't you know the JW answers to those questions?
Pat
Big Jim,
I enjoyed your 'diatribe' on this. When I first started reading it I couldn't help but to think of the Simpson's episode where they portrayed the Garden of Eden (Homer-Adam, Marge-Eve, Ned Flanders-God). It was hilarious. And pretty thought-provoking when you really think about how the story goes.
"Eve, you are SO Banished!"
Kristen
Big Jim,
I brought back the thread, Our Sunday School lesson about the book of Joshua, just in case you missed it the first time. I hope you like it.
Dear Rex,
I am so glad someone mentioned C.S. Lewis!
After coming out of the Borg, I was an atheist. I was, in fact one of those atheists who is pissed at God (who didn’t exist)! After a few years, I became an agnostic. I had a belief in a higher power, I guess, but that’s about it…and I didn’t really trust that higher power at all. I certainly was not interested in Christianity, since I already knew all about how stupid it was. Or so I thought……
One day, somebody at work convinced me to read “The Problem of Pain” by C.S. Lewis. (I only agreed to read it so that I could argue with my co-worker about it later. Sad, hu? ) The book was about why a good God would allow pain and suffering in the world. I read the first few chapters smugly sure it contained nothing new to me. A few chapters later, I was thinking. Then I was really thinking. By the end of the book, I had a lot to chew on. I had a whole new way of considering God. And what do you know? It was actually the Christian way! I didn’t believe in Christianity, but I had at least learned I didn’t actually know much about non-JW Christian beliefs.
Many of my questions had possible answers now…..answers that made me uncomfortable because they made sense AND they were Christian. I put it out of my mind as much as I could.
Then this person at work convinced me to read ‘just one more book.’ I really didn’t want to, because this one was called ‘Mere Christianity.’ YUCK! But I read it anyway, sure it could not tell me any more than I already knew about Christianity. Because I still thought I knew it all (again, sad). Wrong again, darn it! “Mere Christianity” ran through the basic beliefs of Christianity in a clear, logical way. Now I understood what I could not understand before because of my JW ‘hang-over’. Shoot, before I read those books I didn’t even know I HAD a JW ‘hang-over’.
If you like to read, and you are wondering what Christians believe about pain in this world or ‘what the big deal about Christ’s sacrifice is, since he was just brought back to life…big whoop’ or just want to argue with Christians from an informed position, do check out these books!
Any other C.S. Lewis fans out there?
--Lisabobeesa
Hello Big Jim,
thanks for the post. In mho, it
is an " out of the track " post, very original.
I'll comment more later.
Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
Yeah I read C.S. Lewis attempt to indoctrinate children, THE CHRONICLES OF NARNIA..replace god with a lion, and satan with a witch and you got the basic idea.
I hated it, even as a child, thought it was very illogical and overly mysterious.
-Dan
Hi Big Jim,
While some others have taken "pot shots" at the points about where Cain got his wife, Adam knowing death 'cuz animals had died, etc., these "pot shots" are the typical JW red herring. Throwing out stuff to take away the attention from the very valid points that you made elsewhere. For example, testes. Why would he have needed them, as you pointed out!
Also, their suddenly being uncomfortable with their nakedness. Why would they be uncomfortable? And, animal skins? DUH! What's up with that. Wasn't it Jehovah that said no harm would take place in the New Order, which was to mimic the original order? If so, I guess killing an animal and skinning it isn't "harm".
Side point, since someone else posted about guys getting resurrected with intact penises, my pet peeve about the whole circumcision bit. OK, some say that it was to prove the Jews belonging to Jehovah, their obedience, or some such reasoning. [Can't remember the exact "Biblical" reasons why, and I quite frankly don't care to remember.] WHY did he have to choose that form of sign? And, if the Jews needed to have some symbol of their devotion, how come only the guys needed to have the sign? Why not the women also? [I'm in no way supporting female circumcision by this point, just merely showing the inconsistency here.] Oh, I forgot, that Christian women need to have a head covering. Hmm ... seems like a very unbalanced requirement. Especially because the guys had to have a head UNCOVERING! [If ya know what I mean.] And, oh, the old dumb thought about it helping the guys be more hygienic. If that's the case, then it means that the original design was flawed. Therefore, the Creator is flawed.
Nope, the mumbo-jumbo in the "Old Testament", oops, sorry for the JW purists, the "Hebrew Scriptures" is laughable.
Thanks again, Big Jim
JWinSf
I cannot figure out for the life of me why people keep refering back to the JW answer, who cares about there answers? I do not believe anything that comes from that bunch anymore.
They are a very un-reliable source if you are searching for truth, all they will give you is there text book answers.
Thanks for your reply.
Why no answer except to your fellow 'back slappers'?
Rex
