Any parents out there who refused blood for their kids?

by rebel8 12 Replies latest watchtower medical

  • rebel8
    rebel8

    If you are out there, I would really appreciate you sharing your experience with me.

    I am an ex-JW with a serious disease that has required blood transfusions from time to time throughout my life. When I was a child, my JW mother went to great lengths, not only to withhold transfusions, but to avoid needed preventative and emergency medical care for fear it may result in blood being forced upon me. I was near death many times.

    What I am struggling with is this: Why did a natural maternal instinct not override blind obedience to WTS? I know brainwashing is involved, but I guess I don't understand why the parental instinct didn't counteract it. I am not a parent myself, so I may not fully understand. I have pets, for example, and I would be willing to break a law if necessary in order to save them from harm, even if it meant criminal penalties and social shame.

    Is there more than brainwashing at work here? Was it the threat of DFing or death at Armageddon? Did you base your medical decisions on false medical information provided by WTS?

    I'm sure this must be a terribly difficult topic for you and I applaud your courage in discussing it with me. Please know that I am not here to criticize you, only to understand...in the hopes I may be able to figure my mother out.

    Respectfully, rebel8

    Edited to add: I probably won't get any responses to this thread, but thought it was worth trying.

  • Dismembered
    Dismembered

    No, and praise Jah, Jesus for that!

    Dismembered

    "Don't you go dyin' on me now"

  • hubert
    hubert

    Rebel 8, The only conclusion I can come up with is, massive brainwashing.

    Here's my reason... My daughter is studying with the j.w.'s, and isn't even baptized yet, but when I brought up the subject like ..."If you had a child and it suddenly needed a blood transfusion to continue living, would you allow it"?

    Her answer... "I would have to see what happens at that time". (Which in other words, she probably would let her child die, in my opinion).

    Really sad, isn't it? Especially for the fact that she would LOVE to have a child, is married but no luck yet, and she is very good with kids.

    What does that tell you?

    Hubert

  • upside/down
    upside/down

    Yup...

    I really believed I did the right thing at the time (as "God"is my witness)

    Forunately we had the best damn Doc's money could buy and everything turned out GREAT!

    Never Again!

    u/d

  • AlmostAtheist
    AlmostAtheist

    "Maternal Instinct" says only to protect your child. If you truly believe that God abhors blood transfusions, you don't want to endanger your eternal life and set a bad example for your children by allowing blood. I'm sorry this happened to you, but your mother truly believed she was acting in your best interests. Dubs are even taught to believe that blood transfusion risks outweigh the benefits and submitting to one may lead to your death anyway.

    Yeah, brainwashing.

    Dave

    Edited to add: No, thankfully, I never had to face the question.

  • G Money
    G Money

    I was one of those parents. My infant son was born with a low platelet count. We didn't know this until he was circumcised. The next morning, his diaper was full of blood. We were shocked to say the least. He was put into intensive care at a week or so old. Not what a parent likes to see.


    The doctors kept telling us that only blood would save him. Apparently he had ITP, caused possibly by a virus his mom had around the time of delivery.


    They were hinting that a blood transfusion was the only thing that would work and was imminent.


    Fortunatley a good friend and client was an oncologist. I called him and asked if he would be the doctor on the matter and he gladly agreed as he knew my beliefs (at the time). The hospital also had no problem as he was very competent and well respected.


    He know my beleifs and didn't push blood but suggested a steroid (prednesone) to raise the platelet count and help with coagulation. It worked like a charm and within 24 hours my son was on the road to recovery.


    My $.02 is that many times doctors rush to give blood even if there are other alternatives. I guess we were lucky that the alternative worked and were not faced with a take blood or die scenario.

  • whyamihere
    whyamihere

    My older Brother had a Tumor in his Head!

    My parents (more my Mother) Did not want Blood for her son! He was 15 and had a rare Tumor hence we needed to go to Mayo in MN. There was alot of back and forth about the whole blood issue. Thank god he was fine. It was scary thinking my brother could die. Sometimes I think if he did and then now they have changed the whole blood issue my Mother would have gone nuts. I am serious she is the type where anyone hurts her kid is a goner. I am sure the GB and the WT would be very different and she would be in the NEWS!

    Brooke

  • Happy Guy :)
    Happy Guy :)

    Hi Rebel 8.

    I hope you find comments on this board that help you in your quest.

    I was touched by your post and wanted to comment on three points:

    1. The notion of "maternal instincts"

    2. Oerall dynamics of human behavior

    3. The quality of your Mom's care "on the whole"

    1. I was never a JW and can't speak for this particular life and death decision made for perceived religious reasons but I am compelled to comment on your comment about "maternal instincts" and other apsects of human behavior and parental decision making where children are concerned.

    While I may offend some in terms of the emotional and sentimental feelings surrounding this notion of "maternal instincts" or even "parental instincts", I am personally under the impression that some people give far to much weight to what they indeed involve.

    We hear of many acts of loving care and courage surrounding mothers or parents or siblings or (or even extended family such as Aunts, Uncles and Grandparents), but there are so many sad stories of family who abandon, abuse or neglect children.

    This issue of "maternal intincts" is a very sensitive one with me in so far as my own circumstances this notion of "maternal instincts" was a specific reason for a Judge feeling confident in awarding custody to my ex-wife of our children. She was a Jehovah's Witness as was her family (and legal counsel). However, after years of abuse, by their mother, Youth Protection Services intervened. This is something that occurs in society everyday. There are also countless stories in society of abusive or neglectfull parents who are a danger to their children.

    This type of behavior towards children happens all the time, every day, cross sections all of society and is not exclusive of Jehovah's Witnesses. While it may be simple to connect JWs and their doctrinal beliefs on the blood issue, I am of the opinion that in many cases it is more than this. Many parents are capable of making bad decisions where their children are concerned and I think this is regardless of religious beliefs. Clearly we see everyday that a claimed existance of "maternal instincts" of "parental instincts" are not a factor in preventing harm to children at the hands of a parent.

    2. While there is no doubt in my opinion of the ability of parents to be self sacrificing for their children on a regular and consistant basis, I am of the opinion that there is more to the dynamics of human behavior and any potential "intincts" for peson's to satisfy their own individual needs (call it selfishness for lack of a better word).

    In essence I am suggesting that your mother may not have been lacking in any "maternal instincts" relative to anyone else on this planet. I am suggesting that she may not be much different for most parents inspite of her JW beliefs (or brainwashing). She may have been simply motivated by a need to satisfy her own interests. In my opinion most people fall into this category however sad that may be for the children. Let's face it, if a JW child receives blood by force they are not to blame and do not lose their standing with God since it has been forced on them. However, JWs believe that if they a parent willingly allows a child to receive a blood transfusion than the parent will be "Kicked out of the Kingdom" and lose eternal life in a materialistic and hedonistic blissfull existance. I am of the opinion that the JW parents who make this type of decision are acting out of their own personal interests. How it is that they can do this is because they firmly believe that their own interests are paramount to their child's interests and we see this every day in society with non-JWs as well.

    3. Every child down deep probably wishes their parent would be willing to lay down their own life for them because they love them so much but I personally think that is the minority of parents who would and if there really was such a thing an overriding "maternal instinct" or "parental instinct" then it would be an obvious majority of parents (with only a very few exceptions) who are truly self sacrificing for their children and on every issue.

    I know this is a sensitive issue especially since we are talikng about a parent making a decision regarding their child's life being at stake. I also think it is easy to blame (a cult like) the WTBTS and it's beliefs but when it comes right down to your mother and her "maternal instincts" or the quality of her care, my suggestion is that you evaluate her "on the whole" and not on this particular one issue. In my opinion it is not the same as a clear abuse like hitting, degrading, neglect or abuse of a sexual nature. On the whole, perhaps she was a pretty good parent? This is clearly a painful issue for you and I am absolutely sure it would be difficult for me as well had I been in your circumstances. I sense from your post that you are having adifficult time reconciling how a mother could be willing to allow her child to die but still claim to love that child. I would have a difficult time reconciling that as well. I have come to realize though that in the whole area of human behavior "parental instincts" are definitely subject to self serving interests and it is that way for a great many people and that it does not necessarily automatically qualify them as a bad or unloving parent. Just perhaps not worthy of the "parent of the year" award.

    In summary it may seem easy to make an assumption that brainwashing (by the WTBTS) must therefor be involved to cause a mother to override her "maternal instincts" but I think you are placing to much weight on this whole notion of "maternal instincts". We often see in society mothers making bad parental decisions who are not JWs or even brainwashed for that matter. With the exception of mental illness or mental defectiveness many (and in my opinion the majority) are simply acting out of a stronger instict of satisfying their own interests and wants.

    I hope things work out okay for you and your Mom in the future.

  • rebel8
    rebel8

    Wow, I am having some really powerful emotions right now after reading all of your responses. Thank you so much to you all for taking the time to respond. You are really helping me to see the issue in a different light.

    Gmoney, you are right that doctors sometimes recommend blood when alternatives may be available. However, don?t forget that it?s JWs that inserted the words ?rush to blood? in your mind, and they are not known for their truthfulness. They are guilty of much medical misinformation.

    There is an article on www.ajwrb.org from an anesthesiologist that speaks to this issue. He says that physicians readily recognize a patient in danger of dying from hypovolemia (loss of blood volume) and want to utilize the best treatment available rather than putting the patient in further danger while trying alternatives that are known to be of questionable value in a certain case. I have refused blood long after I left the dubs, on non-religious grounds, but I have done so with actual medical knowledge and awareness of the risks described to me by professionals rather than unschooled cult members?and also while continuing under the care of a skilled professional, complying with other treatment recommendations, and willingness to accept blood if the situation did not improve.

    One of the things dubs love to parrot is that alternatives are available. That is only partially true. There are situations in which alternatives may be effective; there are many in which alternatives will not or are very unlikely to work. Alternatives do little to carry oxygen throughout the body, which is needed to keep the patient alive??not reasonable for some medical emergencies, such as mine. A person should always ask if a non-blood alternative is available IMO, and if not, ask why?.just don?t expect there are blood alternatives readily available to treat any and every situation, because that is far from true.

    Happy Guy, what can I say? You are so right on many fronts. Very thought-provoking.

    It must be that instincts are not present in everyone and weak in others. Looking back on other things my mother did, she was sometimes over-protective and sometimes seriously neglectful. I do believe she is brainwashed, but she does have a mind and uses it to rationalize and disobey the WTS on other issues?proving she is capable of independent thought?.part of this has to be her own issues and can?t be blamed on WTS totally.

  • M.J.
    M.J.

    My wife refused one knowing she could very well die but I don't think the thought crossed her mind that she would be leaving her kids with an "unbeliever" if she did go. Perhaps she felt that everything would be taken care of by Jehovah as long as she stuck to the right decision. In a stressfull situation your brain probably does not make the most rational decisions.

    As Dave mentioned, maternal instinct (fear for the welfare of your child) could be hijacked by the cult in a sense.

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