Compulsory I.D cards in 2008

by Ramblin_rose 27 Replies latest social current

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  NeonMadman

  Obviously everyone is entitled to believe as they will, but sometimes it pays not to laugh until you are 100% sure you are right. In fact the Bible does forewarn us that in the end times there will be those who MOCK.

  Of course, the fact that there will be mockers in the last days does not mean that any presence of mockers stands as proof that we are living in the last days. I seem to recall a saying by Carl Sagan that went something like: They laughed at Copernicus, they laughed at Galileo. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown. Some beliefs deserve to be mocked.
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  Jeffro

  Everywhere you look there is evil and crime, wars & hatred, and even regards the state the planet is in, scientists are spelling out the final verdict.

  
  
  
  
  
  Anyone can make a prophecy that must eventually occur. I hereby prophesy that tomorrow the sun will rise.
  
  Sometimes the Witnesses tout Revelation 11:18 as indicating that only now has mankind had the capacity to actually 'ruin' the Earth. They don't bring up Genesis 6:12 in the same sentence.
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  fairchild

  I've lived in countries that use ID cards and in countries that don't use ID cards. Crime is the same everywhere...

  What's with the mark of the beast? Where have I been? I don't know anything about that. Will have to do some research.
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  Qcmbr

  I like the idea of ID cards because I work in IT and the main govt databases where the work would likely be done are just down the road...:)
  
  In the UK ID cards would help with:
  
  Centralising data but only by providing extra impetus to a process that is already occurring (govt dbs are being centralised ) which would mean that courts / police /tax / customs and excise and benefits depts would be able to cross reference data, reduce duplicate data etc..
  
  It may reduce crime particularly of identity theft (due to biometric data)
  
  Will provide a huge database of biometrics for police to work with (ie most fingerprints will find a match now)
  
  Will mean that policies can gain statistical feedback sooner from datamining in a single location.
  
  However this is what I am a bit wary of:
  
  I have nothing to hide from my friends but everything to hide from my enemies. Someday the state may be my enemy.
  
  It is conceivable one day that the biometric data will include dna and that could be used to discriminate in matters of pensions, health benefits and insurance.
  
  There may come a day when religion is on the political agenda as a point of discrimination. Europe only got rid of the last political system that killed people for their religion 60 odd years ago - or do we include the ethnic cleansing of Bosnia and Serbia..?
  
  If someone high enough up wanted to scrub you out it is technically easier from a central store (yea a bit extreme but conceivable.)
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  Gill

  Hi Scotsman!

  I don't think the ID scheme is perfect. I'm sure there will be flaws in it as in any system. I believe the centralising of information is what's important.

  After 9/11 and the police and securtity services began concentrating on serious terrorism I wondered if the petty criminals would begin to take advantage of police being stretched to the limit. And they did.

  Why do I hope it would help with the problems in my area? I hope, and as I said I don't expect it to be perfect, but I hope that it will give police time to get back to the streets to some extent. They can find out at the press of a button everything about a person they're holding. And maybe they will manage to fish out some terrorist, maybe serial offenders and even the petty yobs.

  The Yorkshire Ripper escaped justice and killed many more times because his information was not computerised and centralised.

  Up the road from us last weekend a girl was brutally beaten up by a gang and the police did not attend the incident until the next day because they had NO officers and there was TOO many other serious assaults and incidents that Friday night. We need more police and the ones we have need more free time and instant access to information on suspects.

  I know Edingburgh is a pretty reasonable city to walk through come and evening and maybe difficult for you to understand what we see here every day, but we live in a NICE neighbourhood. It's turning very NOT NICE.

  I hope the ID cards will help. As I said I can see the drawbacks, especially when technology goes wrong but...we need to know who's who, and we need to free up and assist the police.

  Everything can be abused by someone who wants to abuse a system, but that doesn't mean we don't use the technology to protect Mrs Little Old Lady next door who is too scared to go and buy a pint of milk in the evening and right to be scared too, sadly.
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  Ramblin_rose

  Good afternoon,

  Yes I am aware that they "cut out" those who do not share their beliefs.

  To be honest I couldnt actually defend any particular denomination totally whilst each and every one has got its good and bad points, and not one has got everything correct, although they might claim they do.

  Since moving to this area a few weeks ago, I have only just re-started going to church. I kept away for many years because of the hypocracy. However and whilst there are 2 little country churches on my doorstep I thought I would give each of them a try. One is C of E (my own faith) and the other is Methodist.

  I`ve only been to the C of E one once whilst I was disappointed to find they were using the NIV of the Bible (a subject, I promise, I will today post my views on) Ive been to the Methodist one the past few Sundays.

  Last Sunday (being trinity sunday) I discussed this topic with their preacher whilst I myself do not believe in the trinity doctorine (another subject I would like to post about in due course) Like with most vicars, preachers and priests I found he was not able to offer me any kind of explanation that made sense.

  The subject of "doctorines" is a fascinating one if one looks into it deeply enough and rest assured the J.Ws are not the only ones who have some un-scriptural doctorines. One only needs to take a look at the R.C. church to see that (yet another topic I do intend to post about)

  For now, sufficient is it to say that Jesus was right when He said :-

  Mt 7:14 - Show Context Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.:
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  Ramblin_rose

  LATEST NEWS from the "Say NO to I.D. cards" website ......

  Thank you for this. NO2ID has no view on Revelations, but you may be
  interested in the Regulatory Impact Assessment issued with the Bill
  http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/docs4/Identity_cards_bill_regulatory_impact
  .pdf
  In particular:
  
  * section 47 where it is implied that the ambition is to require ID
  checks to stay in hotels, rent accomodation, buy mobile phones, and
  carry out day to day activities;
  * sections 60-61 where it is implied that the ambition is to use the
  cards in relation to ordinary purchases. (We understand the Home Office
  has been conducting market research in relation to the price level at
  which the public would be happy to have an ID check for purchases.)
  
  And
  
  * section 79 on where it is heavily implied that employers will be at
  risk if they do not require an identity check for workers.Best regards
  
  NO2ID
  www.no2id.net
  Box 412, 78 Marylebone High St
  LONDON W1U 5AP
  
  Office phone: 020 7793 4005

  I still believe it may be "the mark of the beast" whilst clearly IF we refuse this proposed I.D. card.... we will be able to do NOTHING AT ALL.... and Bible does say : "cant buy or sell"
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  NeonMadman

  I still believe it may be "the mark of the beast" whilst clearly IF we refuse this proposed I.D. card.... we will be able to do NOTHING AT ALL.... and Bible does say : "cant buy or sell"

  Let's see, money has the name of the government on it, and you can't buy or sell without it...I guess money must be the mark of the beast! Quick - send me all the money you have and I'll dispose of it for you!

  As I pointed out above, there are several criteria involved in the description of the beast and its mark, and it is impossible, given the context of the entire Bible and what we know of God's nature, to conceive that the mark would be something one could accept by accident. A clear moral choice will be involved. The beast will be able to be identified by believers based upon his characteristics as described in the Bible (otherwise, how could they refuse the mark?).

  Furthermore, as I pointed out earlier, the mark of the beast will be a symbol of a global rulership. Therefore, there is no need to fear taking the mark until such a global rulership actually exists. If a British ID card is the mark of the beast, how will anyone outside England receive it? Rev. 13:8 says,

  All who dwell on the earth will worship him,

  everyone

  whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.

  It's not going to be just a British thing. If a global government is formed and starts to require some sort of loyalty mark, I'd begin to worry. Until then, we are just wasting our time looking for the mark of the beast in every new government program that comes along.