Prove to me that God exists (page 12)

Qcmbr

PS I'm not converting to the Hindu faith either - I don't have an answer to this from my background and both he and I saw how patently bizzare it is for some 'god' to want to drink milk however, we have said a couple of times that if God exists he would have to prove it and this is just about wierd enough to pass as a faith promoter for hindus so just to be fair to God maybe this was a sign then again maybe something strange happened with some natural law that allowed capilliary action in rocks to act super quickly and remove bucketloads of milk and deposit it somewhere else..? Dunno.

doogie

He says it would be easy to pass it off as wishful thinking if it wasn't for the sheer quantity of milk involved and also the fact that it didn't happen the next day even with little teaspoons of milk.

yeah, buckets of milk wouldn't disappear. you'd think that would've been reported, though. all that was reported were tiny amounts. besides, the fact that even teaspoons were not absobed the next day is a bit odd too because a miracle isn't even necessary to make those disappear (maybe there was a 2nd miracle to prevent the statues from absorbing the milk on the second day).

unfortunately, like terry said, intellectual ability is often completely seperate from gullibility. (my parents are amazingly intelligent, yet they truly believed that demons possessed one of my video games when i was a little kid. they had me destroy it with a hammer.)

Qcmbr

Fair enough Terry. I'd be interested in finding out what if anything you would ever consider proof. You've already discounted witness accounts. Just interested..:)

tetrapod.sapien

ha ha! doogie,

i ended up reading the same web page as you. you make a good point about the gods only being recorded "drinking" spoonfuls. perhaps the next day, the porus statues could not absorb any more milk since their credulous owners over did it on the previous day thinking the elephant god was thirsty. randi is great for this stuff. he had an extra page with an update. i found this quote interesting and helpful in putting this all into perspective:

As with all such matters of mass delusion, there are bound to be different
modes whereby the wonder takes place. One film clip I saw had a small
white figure, well below eye-level, that was believed to have sipped up the
teaspoonful of milk. In all probability, it merely was picked up by surface-
effect capillary action, and ran down the front of the figure. I'm told that
Sanal Edamaraku, a prominent skeptic in India, used colored liquid and
was able to show that this is clearly what's happening, in the cases he
examined. I'd suggested using ink, which would also indicate other
modes. And remember that everyone who gets to "feed" a statue wants
to be a winner, so accepts any taking of the milk to be a personal miracle.
Wouldn't do to go home and say that the god refused to drink....
The metal statues that "drink" are another matter. One woman in the
U.K. claims that her figure drank several liters of milk. It was metal.
Either the milk is just being poured inside, or the lady doth exaggerate
somewhat. I wouldn't be surprised to find that some clever religious
folks have put tiny tubes into their statues and are draining the milk
that way. But disrespectful folks like me don't get the chance to take
a close look. Spoiled miracles are no fun at all.

tetrapod.sapien

PS: Q,

i should mention you are being pretty fair in your reporting. you're just essentially saying that we have something to think about here, right? i can see that. thanks for posting. i had never heard of this phenomenon before today.

TS

Deputy Dog

Tetrapod

okay, deputydog: most atheists are not atheists because they hate god...

Really, Have you talked to most atheists or is that a presupposition?

after all, none of us are born believing in god,

Really, have you asked all or any infants if they believe in God when they are born, or is this another presupposition? (I guess you could call this a little research)

I'm glad we agree, that everyone presupposes when they reason. And your assertion is implied; God? What God? I can't see any God. There is no God. Show me God. I don't see the evidence. All your arguments go from there. We are waiting on non-laughable evidence to be forthcoming. The onus for evidence rests on you. why? Because your assertion is implied. (see, it go both ways)

the onus for evidence rests on you.

The onus is not on me, it's on God! I believe he has been gracious to me and supplied much evidence. If you choose to ignore the evidence, that's on you.

we are waiting on non-laughible evidence

What would you consider to be "non-laughable evidence"? If you ask me that question. I would say, show me the dead bones of Jesus, or you could explain to me, how in an atheist universe you can account for morals, laws of logic and the like.

If you really believe what you say, why would you ask me to prove to you that God exists or ask me for evidence. If you are not trying to make a point, then why waste your time on this forum, you could be out fishing or something.

D Dog

tetrapod.sapien

D Dog,

round and round we go! you crack me up man. lol.

I'm glad we agree, that everyone presupposes when they reason. And your assertion is implied; God? What God? I can't see any God. There is no God. Show me God. I don't see the evidence. All your arguments go from there. We are waiting on non-laughable evidence to be forthcoming. The onus for evidence rests on you. why? Because your assertion is implied. (see, it go both ways)

you clearly haven't really read my other replies to you. but you type wonderfully!

The onus is not on me, it's on God! I believe he has been gracious to me and supplied much evidence. If you choose to ignore the evidence, that's on you.

wow.

What would you consider to be "non-laughable evidence"?

something better than what you and your daddy Van Til have presented.

or you could explain to me, how in an atheist universe you can account for morals, laws of logic and the like.

somehow, i have a feeling that it doesn't matter what i say. so, i will just say, i have no morals because i am an atheist! i steal candy from children, and i kick puppies. i purposely bump into old ladies carrying their groceries, and me and my other atheist freinds get together on fridays to laugh at handicapped people. logic has no place in my life, but rather, faith in my atheist god and church is all the bread i need to sustain my evil ways. i do all things for satan's glory.

(sigh).

If you really believe what you say, why would you ask me to prove to you that God exists or ask me for evidence.

because there are smart lurkers here that should see this.

Deputy Dog

or you could explain to me, how in an atheist universe you can account for morals, laws of logic and the like.

somehow, i have a feeling that it doesn't matter what i say. so, i will just say, i have no morals because i am an atheist! i steal candy from children, and i kick puppies. i purposely bump into old ladies carrying their groceries, and me and my other atheist freinds get together on fridays to laugh at handicapped people. logic has no place in my life, but rather, faith in my atheist god and church is all the bread i need to sustain my evil ways. i do all things for satan's glory.

I didn't ask you if you had any morals or used logic, I asked how you account for them. How did these things evolve from nothing or from simply matter energy and motion?

What would you consider to be "non-laughable evidence"?
something better than what you and your daddy Van Til have presented.

Is that the best you can do? I'm sure those " lurkers" will be impressed. Maybe your daddy Dr. Richard Dawkins can help you out?

because there are smart lurkers here that should see this.

Thanks for admitting that you do have an agenda and atheist start with presuppositions

somehow, i have a feeling that it doesn't matter what i say.

Yea, I know just how you feel.

D Dog

Kenneson

For those who want proof that God exists, can you give me one good reason why anything should exist at all? And why we humans should be able to figure everything out anyway? What human has exhausted every single possibility in his exploration for God? You have no explanation of how the universe or consciousness or as a matter of fact, why or how anything exists, yet you demand that believers prove to you that God exists. How convenient!

How can you know that love or hate, justice, hope, history, and mind exist without believing in them first?

"For those who believe, no proof is necessary.

For those who do not believe, no proof is possible."

darkuncle29

Prove to me that God exists

My response to this, either prove god exists or doesn't exist:

"I can't. Prove it to yourself."

Prove to me that God exists

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