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hib,
you should really be out there fighting all the other fundies like the wits. i'm affraid you won't get far with atheists.
the evidence you offer is illogical and fallacious (and no, that's not a dirty word). you will have to do better (and no, quoting more scripture is not "doing better").
An atheist has NO EXCUSE FOR NOT KNOWING HIS JUDGMENT:now THAT is definitely hate-speech. we are now worthy of death? hmm...i wonder why i am no longer a christian?Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. - Rom 1:32
Daunt and Tetrapod suggest I spend more time with atheists.
In 40+ years of being a Christian, I have talked to more than a few non-believers. Unlike some believers, I don't surround (insulate) myself with like-minded people--I've always had more non-Christian friends than Christian. Nor do I shy away from hostile environments, which is why I remain around here.
I could include other reasons why people don't believe. Some take the default position because they found they can live their lives without God, so they do. Others base their reasons on what they think the Bible says, or how they think God is--which, if they took the time to investigate it, would not hold up.
I guess I just haven't been around the right kind of atheists?
Sorry for suggesting that you haven't been around many atheists. However, it would be good to look at most of the atheists you're talking about in more of a humanist position rather than a group atheists and non atheists. For the most part, most folks that would be classified as atheists just doesn't care. I don't feel it's fair for them to live up to some sort of position when they're just trying to be human, there are no guidelines or whatnot to be a human, they're just living their lives. Cool that you surround yourself by more non christians than christians, don't hear about that much.
Believe me, Daunt, I don't categorize people as atheist, agnostic, or anything else in my relationships with them. Personally, I don't like labels--I don't like the way they divide people. I only used those terms in this thread for convenience. I notice most non-believers here use the term atheist for themselves.
I don't judge people (that's not my place) and I don't try to save them (I don't have the power to do that). Everybody has a right to their own opinion and I respect that. Everybody believes something. Ususally, I find that most people adopt a position that is not well-researched or thought-out, and this applies to professing Christians and non-Christians alike. I encourage everyone to investigate their position further. I'm always open to learning new things. (I will admit that my nearly lifelong experiences as a believer provide me with enough evidence for my own satisfaction, but I also realize it is subjective and thus not valid as proof.) It's been my experience that most objections to accepting God are not grounded in a proper understanding of what the Bible claims, and I attempt to answer those objections as best I can to individuals.
I think I need to clarify something I said earlier about "No God--no standards." What I actually meant is NOT that people have NO standards, it's just that they are free to set their own. It's comes from the survival mechanism we all have in our brains. The person's mind blocks any consideration of the existence of God because if it accepted that a God with standards existed, it would openly have to accept or reject those standards, but the person wants to be free to make choices that are outside of the standards. Therefore, in order to be free to do whatever one wants and be right about it, the existence of God is denied. It's like, "If there's nothing wrong with me, then I don't need treatment. I don't want the treatment. Therefore, there is nothing wrong with me."
I'm not saying all non-believers use this approach.
ah sorry for thinking that you like labels, i dislike them. But sure I wouldn't doubt that that happens, they leave the idea of God because they don't want to be behind the churches standards, but that does not mean those individuals do not have standards. For the most part, standards come from our interaction with each other and nature. Religion has kind of hijacked it saying that God created these standards and claiming that there are no alternatives. They may have lost God's standards but they didn't lose standards. So I agree with you to a point, but, these aren't even close to most of the atheists out there. Most of em just don't care.
So I agree with you to a point, but, these aren't even close to most of the atheists out there. Most of em just don't care.
Yes, over all, I think you're right. I covered that is this statement:
Some take the default position because they found they can live their lives without God, so they do.
Yes, life without acknowledging God is possible, even a successful life (by society's standards), so why bother?
Doogie:
I am sorry you think that post was "hate" material. It was not.
Words like "disease," "antisocial behavior," and "lack of moral development" have replaced the word "sin." This change of language exposes a major shift in modern morality.
Parents are increasingly frustrated that even "good" TV is becoming polluted and public school curricula is laced with the lies of evolution, sexual perversion and the "political correctness" of socialist and humanist philosophy.
GBL said it best, "DON'T FEED THE TROLLS."
I always wondered what that meant. Now I know.
I am sorry you think that post was "hate" material. It was not.
haha. my girlfriend tries this on me too. "i'm sorry that you felt i said..." or "i'm sorry that you think i meant..." i tell her, that's not an apology. that's just saying you feel bad that i can't figure out what you really meant. i understand what you said. you stated pretty clearly that (you feel) the atheist's beliefs deserve death. i think that that is a hateful idea BECAUSE IT IS. not because i have trouble interpreting your writing.
