Non physical aspects of relationships.

by greendawn 19 Replies latest jw friends

  • Markfromcali
    Markfromcali

    Well, I suppose it all depends on who you ask - what may be meaningful and fulfilling to some may not be for others. For some people physical attraction is about it, which I have no judgements about it's just not where I'm at - in fact in a way I think they're lucky because in my view there is not a shortage of physically attractive people in the world, so they have more options.

    For me, I wouldn't even say it's a matter of the non-physical aspects, but I just don't look for a particular type of conditioning. To me physical and mental conditioning, if it is rigid just kind of ruins the whole picture. Now that doesn't mean I don't appreciate a good body and mind, but frankly I just want to relate to a free person you know? That's the way I want to approach life so why would I want anything less in a partner for life? I mean I don't have a shopping list of attributes, but I think a similar general orientation toward life is also good to have. But as far as being free from a rigid pattern, I think that is important for the long run too because you can't grow if you are kind of stuck in your ways, and if you can't grow how are you going to grow with anyone else?

  • Golden Girl
    Golden Girl

    If only Girls wouldn't talk so much...right?

    Hubby and I had our own jobs!

    He worked on the cars..I watched him

    He did the lawn work...I watched him...

    He carried out the trash...I watched him....

    He did the painting outside...I watched him...

    I did the cooking...he watched me..

    I did the housework..he watched T.V....(Fooled you didn't I)

    He went to the JW meetings..I came on the boards finding out how JW's were so wrong...

    We had the "Perfect Marriage"...

    Snoozykins....

  • outoftheorg
    outoftheorg

    For me, even the differences between a male and a female are attractive.

    The feminine atributes, such as decorating a house, their caring motherly behaviour. Their outlook verses mine.

    The ways they view life and love and sex sometimes differ from mine but they add a quality to our life that I would not have with out my wife.

    Men and women are different and yet similar enough to create together a life and relationship that I would not want to live without.

    Of course this requires a willing man and a willing woman.

    Outoftheorg

  • Confession
    Confession

    I didn't used to like the science of human temperament too much; thought it was like putting people into little boxes. But the more I read and reflected, the more convinced I became that there's something to it. I now believe there's a LOT to it. It has helped me to realize that there may be many types of people in the world, but as it relates to thinking and behavior, there are basically four temperaments. They have been labeled Guardians, Artisans, Rationals and Idealists. Within these groups there are further variants of each temperament.

    When it comes to mating, Guardians are looking for a Helpmate, Artisans are looking for a Playmate, Rationals a Mindmate, and Idealists a Soulmate. While it's true that anyone of a certain temperament CAN get along well with any of the others, it's also true that essentially we are looking for different things in a relationship.

    I've always marveled at my Artisan friends who give sexual things primary importance in choosing a mate. I used to think they were joking, until one phone conversation I had with an old school friend. He'd called me for advice on which of the two women I thought he should marry. One was Teresa, the mother of his two children--and an unbelievable knockout. The other was Jill, a new acquaintance--and an unbelievable knockout. I thought the choice was obvious, but decided to let him go on at length about the pros and cons of each woman. Here's how it went...

    "Okay, so Jill's tits are totally perfect. The most fantastic set of tits I've ever seen. Teresa's are of course great too, but they kinda go east and west, y'know?"

    I kept waiting for him to laugh and tell me that this wasn't REALLY a serious bit of criterion, but the laugh never came. He was completely serious. I tried to explain to him how Teresa was the mother of his two children, and how possibly could he decide to go with the other girl based on a tit comparison? Anyway, he married Teresa.

    I don't know if it was my having been raised a JW--or just having been raised in my particular family--but in my case, I think physical attractiveness was very much downplayed throughout my upbringing. It has taken many years for me to be able to say, "Look, other things are more important, yes, but, c'mon, I DO have to be physically attracted to a woman before I should consider marrying her."

    I am very much in touch with all of those things about a woman that turn me on--which have little to do with her frozen appearance. Right now, I have about five women that I see from time to time. One is a complete Artisan, about five years older than I (i'm 39,) and with a background as a singer/dancer. Most men do not find her facially attractive, but (to me) there is something very attractive about her. Like George Harrison put it, "Something in the Way She Moves." Every little movement, gesture, flip of the hair, shuffle of the feet is done with a perfect understanding of what it means and how it affects others who see it. When I watch her sing Karaoke, I think she is incredibly beautiful--not only when she's singing, but when she interacts so freely with people throughout the bar.

    This isn't unlike the woman I had a wild, torrid affair with a year or so ago. (This is the little spitfire that, unwittingly, helped me begin to see the need to give the WTS an objective investigation.) She was sex personified. The sex was off the chart, beyond anything I'd ever experienced. She was the most amazing person to be on the town with. I was undoubtedly "in love" with her. The way she would move her fingers turned me on. Her mouth, eyes, legs, body moved in ways that just GRABBED me! But, although it took indescribable effort, I had to admit that I could NOT ultimately be happy with her. She drove me flippin' nuts. INTENSITY IN TEN CITIES!!! Constantly! Although I know she doesn't realize it, she is absolutely self-centered. It would never have worked.

    Then there is another young lady (25 years old) whom I find very attractive. She is quite cute, but more than that I'm constantly impressed with how smart she is. Our conversations are so incredibly engaging. For someone like me, when you reach a certain depth in conversation, it becomes fantastically engaging. She must have five or six new business ideas every time we meet--and she actually puts forth the effort to actualize some of them! I also like the way she moves her neck. In the beginning I thought it was weird. We were watching that TV show in which that group of people re-build or re-design a family's home for them, and as it played I kept noticing how her neck would (I think unconsciously) crane and tilt with emotion. I dig it.

    Then there is the person whose personality I consider to be most like mine. We have great conversations too. She is warm and sweet, a go-getter, but someone who likes to enjoy herself. And she is positively stunning. She feels like home to me. I like the way she walks when she means business. Fast and hard. She only weighs about 120 pounds, but she can make those heels sound like Hulk Hogan is wearing them when she's walking through the hallway on a mission. I like the way she uses her hands to express herself. They're small but make powerful gestures and clenches. While she is one of the nicest, sweetest, most generous people you'll ever meet, I LOVE the way she will occasionally swear like a sailor (to me) when she gets ticked off at someone.

    Okay, so this has been a bit of a ramble; sorry. Yes, I like all of those abstract things that contribute to an attraction, but, once attracted to a woman, ultimately for me it's about this: Am I going to be able to live with her? Am I going to make her happy--and will she make me happy?

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow

    This is a very good idea for a thread subject.

    We hear so much about sex. We hear so much about the physical attributes of people. When it's all said and done though, physical beauty is very fleeting and fragile. Time changes the way we look through the years. Sometimes disease, accidents and surgery can disfigure us or the ones we love.

    When in a serious relationship, there has to be more than physical attraction and chemistry or the relationship will not stand life's tests or time.

    Some beautiful things that go beyond mere physical attraction:

    • When you love the way a person looks at life.
    • When you love the sound of their voice and the way they express themselves.
    • When you love the way they treat you and other people.
    • When you love the way they make you laugh.
    • When you love the way they challenge you to think or to look at something differently.
    • When you love their taste in music, movies, literature.
    • When you love the way they have passion for their beliefs, philosophies, politics, etc.
    • When you love the way they have empathy for the less fortunate.
    • When you love their unique spirtuality.
    • When you love even their weaknesses or at least understand that they have weaknesses and you still love the person anyway.
    • When you love the way they love you, even with your weaknesses and faults.
    • Very important: you genuinely like the person. LIKE.

    What I love the best about our relationship is that we don't annoy or embarrass each other. We genuinely enjoy being together no matter what we are doing. We work at the same place, though in different areas/jobs and we like that. We have the same feelings about racial prejudice, politics, history, etc. We have so much in common, including the way we like to poke good natured, sarcastic fun even at things we love and especially things that bewilder or annoy us.

    I hope that we will always be able to rise above the problems life throws at us and stay together. This is much more than physical, but because of all the above, the physical is otherworldy and amazing. I know this kind of relationship doesn't grow on trees. I'd hate to have to look for an "act to follow" this one because this "act would be a hard act to follow".

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow
    They have been labeled Guardians, Artisans, Rationals and Idealists. Within these groups there are further variants of each temperament.

    Interesting post, Confession. Which one of these is you though?

  • Terry
    Terry

    I am absolutely convinced the MOST important aspect of a relationship is sharing exactly the same sense of humor.

    Why did I, then, marry a humorless person?

    Nuts.

    T.

  • Confession
    Confession

    Me? I'm an Idealist. An Idealist Champion to be exact. Abstract Cooperator, yearning for romance, looking for a Soulmate.

  • bikerchic
    bikerchic

    Wow flyin what a beautiful post! I've tried several times to write much of what you've written and couldn't find the right or at least as well written words. Thanks for that it sums up my life with Craig so well too.

    All I can add is not only is the the things you have in common but for us it's also the opposite yin/yang things for us that I love and he does too. We just seem to balance each other out so well it constantly amazes us both. I am so very lucky to have found my true soul mate.

    I read this once a long time ago and it fits us so well although I'm not sure I have the saying right but for us "when one of us cries the other tastes the salt of our tears." We complete each other and it goes far beyond but does also includes sex.

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow
    Why did I, then, marry a humorless person?

    Nuts.

    Maybe you liked the way she looked and she was the only single pioneer sister, elder's daughter in your congo? for you, Terry. I understand. My ex didn't have much of a sense of humor either. He could laugh at some things, but he thought humor a frivolous thing. Workaholism was what kept him happy.

    Seriously, humor is very important. It's a lot more important than whether her breasts go east and west or his biceps leave you dizzy.

    Biker Chic,

    All I can add is not only is the the things you have in common but for us it's also the opposite yin/yang things for us that I love and he does too
    And what you added is something I forgot to mention. Thank you.

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