Just a question

by brittani 28 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  IP_SEC

  I don't think she'll find anything about 1874 there.

  Ya she will, that was the year Watchtower began its insipid publication. LOL but ya she wont find any of the previous silly old light there.

  LMAO.

  www.watchtower.org o brutha.
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  95stormfront

  I don't think she'll find anything about 1874 there.

  That was probably the whole point of him sending her there.
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  greendawn

  Welcome Britanni virtually all people here are ex JWs who don't espouse the watchtower teachings and consider your above objections valid.
  
  
  Jesus's sacrifice covers all humans equally and he is the mediator of all. The JWs overemphasize the need for works to the point where one gets the impression that they are labouring under the Mosaic law and the number 144000 is certainly not literal as it comes from a totally symbolic context: 144000 virginal, male, Jews. If taken totally literally it would mean that only celibate Jewish men would be part of that number.
  
  
  As for the end of times dates they never got anything at all right.
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  zen nudist

  I don't think she'll find anything about 1874 there.

  Ya she will, that was the year Watchtower began its insipid publication

  actually it began in 1879

  the 1874 date came from another failed prophecy of Adventists who made the original core of Russell's original bible study group...

  they were disallusioned and searching and Russell found a resonance when he told them that they were not wrong....they were just not seeing that Jesus really did come back just as they believed....but invisibly.... and that began this whole new round of the Emporers new clothes.....

  the emporer is still naked (^_^)
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  blondie

  1874 and the WTS (jv = Proclaimers Book printed by WTS)

  *** jv chap. 5 p. 47 Proclaiming the Lord’s Return (1870-1914) ***

  To counteract wrong views regarding the Lord’s return, Russell wrote the pamphlet The Object and Manner of Our Lord’s Return. It was published in 1877. That same year Barbour and Russell jointly published Three Worlds, and the Harvest of This World. This 196-page book discussed the subjects of restitution and Biblical time prophecies. Though each subject had been treated by others before, in Russell’s view this book was "the first to combine the idea of restitution with time-prophecy." It presented the view that Jesus Christ’s invisible presence dated from the autumn of 1874.

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  jv chap. 10 pp. 133-134 Growing in Accurate Knowledge of the Truth ***

  In 1876, when Russell had first read a copy of Herald of the Morning, he had learned that there was another group who then believed that Christ’s return would be invisible and who associated that return with blessings for all families of the earth. From Mr. Barbour, editor of that publication, Russell also came to be persuaded that Christ’s invisible presence had begun in 1874. Attention was later drawn to this by the subtitle "Herald of Christ’s Presence," which appeared on the cover of Zion’s Watch Tower.

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  Footnote jv sect. 2 chap. 10 p. 133 Growing in Accurate Knowledge of the Truth

  This was influenced by the belief that the seventh millennium of human history had begun in 1873 and that a period of divine disfavor (of equal length to a former period considered to be one of favor) upon natural Israel would end in 1878. The chronology was flawed because of relying on an inaccurate rendering of Acts 13:20 in the King James Version, belief that there was a transcription error at 1 Kings 6:1, and failure to take into account Biblical synchronisms in the dating of reigns of the kings of Judah and of Israel. A clearer understanding of Biblical chronology was published in 1943, in the book "The Truth Shall Make You Free," and it was then refined the following year in the book "The Kingdom Is at Hand," as well as in later publications.

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  jv chap. 28 pp. 631-632 Testing and Sifting From Within ***

  Something else that was seen as a possible time indicator involved the arrangement that God instituted in ancient Israel for a Jubilee, a year of release, every 50th year. This came after a series of seven 7-year periods, each of which ended with a sabbath year. During the Jubilee year, Hebrew slaves were freed and hereditary land possessions that had been sold were restored. (Lev. 25:8-10) Calculations based on this cycle of years led to the conclusion that perhaps a greater Jubilee for all the earth had begun in the autumn of 1874, that evidently the Lord had returned in that year and was invisibly present, and that "the times of restitution of all things" had arrived.—Acts 3:19-21, KJ.

  Based on the premise that events of the first century might find parallels in related events later, they also concluded that if Jesus’ baptism and anointing in the autumn of 29 C.E. paralleled the beginning of an invisible presence in 1874, then his riding into Jerusalem as King in the spring of 33 C.E. would point to the spring of 1878 as the time when he would assume his power as heavenly King. They also thought they would be given their heavenly reward at that time. When that did not occur, they concluded that since Jesus’ anointed followers were to share with him in the Kingdom, the resurrection to spirit life of those already sleeping in death began then. It was also reasoned that the end of God’s special favor to natural Israel down to 36 C.E. might point to 1881 as the time when the special opportunity to become part of spiritual Israel would close.

  This following website also has quotes just from Watchtower publications:

  http://quotes.watchtower.ca/

  http://quotes.watchtower.ca/1874.htm

  Blondie
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  a friend in need

  brittani ... the sites posted other than www.watchtower.org are apostate sites.
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  luna2

  Nothing is preventing her from going to the official site for a tasty helping of Watchtower doublespeak and BS, afin. EvilForce even suggested she check it out. However, if she wants something more honest and objective, then "apostate" sites are a must.
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  blondie

  My quotes are straight from the WT-CD 2001 from Watchtower publications.
  

  Quotes are too. Easily verifiable if you can find that publication.

  Here ebay has it for sale

  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=378&item=4553533110&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

  (just copy and paste the above into your address)
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  a friend in need

  I didn't say the quotes were not from the WTS ... I said the sites are apostate sites.
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  Nosferatu

  brittani ... the sites posted other than www.watchtower.org are apostate sites.

  So what?

  If I told you I owned 12 Llamas, 15 Ostriches, 9 Koala bears and 1 Dodo bird in my back yard, wouldn't you want to verify that by asking my neighbor?

  I didn't say the quotes were not from the WTS ... I said the sites are apostate sites.

  So if the information comes from the source, it's valid. However, if the exact same information comes from somewhere else, it's invalid?