PINATA?????

by integ 10 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • integ
    integ

    Does anyone know where I can find ANY information in any of the watchtower material in regards to pinatas??? I have heard that the society did a flip/flop on the issue, saying that it was okay to celebrate it now, explaining that we shouldn't be so nit-picky about how a practice was celebrated in the past, and concentrate more on what its meaning is today....that despite the pinatas' pagan roots, the practice of celebrating it or whatever, does not have the same meaning today, so it's up to an individuals conscience now.

    I've asked this question before, but have not received any response. Is it true to anyones' knowledge???????, and if so, where might I be able to locate info about this, I'm using it to help poke holes in the current society stance on "worldly" holidays.

    Thank You very much,

    Integ.

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    Awake! 1971 6/22; 2003 9/22.

  • integ
    integ

    Narkissos,

    Thank you. Boy, this has got to be in the hall of fame of nobody cares topics.

    Integ.

  • LuckyNun
    LuckyNun

    well, I care. but, alas, I have no inside scoop on how the Borg views pinatas. I make one for my kids' birthday ever year. I have a feeling they would look down on the birthday celebrating foremost, and the pinata business would be an afterthought.

    I'm sure there's some gory story behind it. the Aztecs used to fill human heads with candy and beat them into a pulp for the kiddos or some such nonsense. which makes you wonder why JWs will wear wedding rings on the left hand, when it stems from a PAGAN belief that the ring finger vein leads directly to the heart. IF THAT'S NOT PAGAN, WHAT IS? I think that borders on spiritism, myself...

  • Markfromcali
    Markfromcali

    Vote for Pedro.

  • rebel8
    rebel8

    integ,

    FWIW, I do remember pinatas being banned in the '70s and possibly '80s too. All I can remember is it being mentioned from the platform, but I wonder if it was in the kids' book, called Youth or whatever.

  • nicolaou
    nicolaou

    *** g03 9/22 pp. 22-24 The Piñata—An Ancient Tradition ***

    The

    Piñata—An Ancient Tradition

    BY AWAKE! WRITER IN MEXICO

    THE neighborhood children are having a fiesta. We can hear their excited voices crying out: "Dale! Dale! Dale!" (Hit it! Hit it! Hit it!) We peer over into the patio and observe a gaily decorated papier-mâché burro suspended between two trees. A blindfolded child is striking out at the burro with a stick, attempting to break it. The guests are shouting encouragement. At last, the burro bursts open, and candy, fruit, and toys spill out. Amid much laughter, all scramble to pick up the treats. It looks like fun. We are told that the burro is called a piñata and that breaking a piñata at fiestas is a tradition here in Mexico and some other Latin-American countries.

    We wonder why the piñata is so popular. What is its origin? Does breaking the piñata have any special significance? We decided to investigate.

    The

    Origin of the Piñata

    A widespread opinion is that the Chinese may have been the first to use something like a piñata as part of their New Year’s celebration, which also marked the beginning of spring. They made figures of cows, oxen, and buffalo, covering them with colored paper and filling them with five kinds of seeds. Colored sticks were used to break the figures open. The decorative paper that covered the figures was burned and the ashes gathered and kept for good luck during the coming year.

    It is thought that in the 13th century, Venetian traveler Marco Polo took the "piñata" back with him from China to Italy. There, it acquired its present name from the Italian word pignatta, or fragile pot, and came to be filled with trinkets, jewelry, or candy instead of seeds. The tradition then spread to Spain. Breaking the piñata became a custom on the first Sunday of Lent. It seems that at the beginning of the 16th century, Spanish missionaries brought the piñata to Mexico.

    However, the missionaries may have been surprised (as we were) to find that the native people of Mexico already had a similar tradition. The Aztecs celebrated the birthday of Huitzilopochtli, their god of the sun and war, by placing a clay pot on a pole in his temple at the end of the year. The pot was adorned with colorful feathers and filled with tiny treasures. It was then broken with a stick, and the treasures that spilled out became an offering to the god’s image. The Maya also played a game in which blindfolded participants hit a clay pot suspended by a string.

    As part of their strategy to evangelize the Indians, the Spanish missionaries ingeniously made use of the piñata to symbolize, among other things, the Christian’s struggle to conquer the Devil and sin. The traditional piñata was a clay pot covered with colored paper and given a star shape with seven tasseled points. These points were said to represent the seven deadly sins: greed, gluttony, sloth, pride, envy, wrath, and lust. Striking the piñata while blindfolded represented blind faith and willpower overcoming temptation or evil. The treats inside the piñata were the reward.

    The

    Piñata Today

    Later, the piñata became part of the festivities of the posadas during the Christmas season and continues as such to this day. (A star-shaped piñata is used to represent the star that guided the astrologers to Bethlehem.) Breaking the piñata is also considered indispensable at birthday parties. Indeed, piñatas have become so traditionally Mexican that Mexico even exports them to other countries.

    We found that for many people in Mexico, the piñata has lost its religious significance and is considered by most to be just harmless fun. In fact, piñatas are used in Mexico on many festive occasions, not just for the posadas or for birthdays. And piñatas can be purchased in many forms other than the traditional star shape. They are sometimes made to resemble animals, flowers, clowns.

    When considering whether to include a piñata at a social gathering, Christians should be sensitive to the consciences of others. (1 Corinthians 10:31-33) A main concern is, not what the practice meant hundreds of years ago, but how it is viewed today in your area. Understandably, opinions may vary from one place to another. Hence, it is wise to avoid turning such matters into big issues. The Bible says: "Let each one keep seeking, not his own advantage, but that of the other person."—1 Corinthians 10:24.

    [Footnotes]

    In some religions, such as Catholicism, Lent is the 40-day period of penance that culminates in Holy Week celebrations at Easter time.

    In Mexico the posadas is a nine-day celebration prior to Christmas, enacting Joseph and Mary’s search for posada, or lodging. A piñata is broken as the culmination of the festivities on each of the nine nights.

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    When considering whether to include a piñata at a social gathering, be sensitive to the consciences of others

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    on page 23]

    Piñatas come in all kinds of shapes and sizes

    then

    *** g04 7/8 p. 30 From Our Readers ***

    Piñatas I read with interest the article "The Piñata—An Ancient Tradition." (September 22, 2003) It left me with some questions. The ties to false religion are well-documented. But the article seemed to take the position that as long as it doesn’t bother someone’s conscience, it is OK. What about birthdays and holidays such as Christmas?

    S. W., United States

    "Awake!" responds: Christians refrain from any celebrations or customs that continue to involve false religious beliefs or activities that violate Bible principles. For example, the Bible definitely puts birthday celebrations in a bad light. (Genesis 40:20; Matthew 14:6-10) However, if it is very obvious that a custom has no current false religious significance and involves no violation of Bible principles, each Christian must make a personal decision as to whether he will follow such a custom.
  • AlmostAtheist
    AlmostAtheist
    Boy, this has got to be in the hall of fame of nobody cares topics

    *I* care, I thought this was huge. The article admitted that the pinata has false religious and pagan roots, then made the statement that it is not so important how something was viewed hundreds of years ago, but how is it viewed today? Armed with that statement, I told the elders that I was celebrating Christmas since it isn't viewed as pagan today. As you can imagine, they were not swayed by the reasoning, but it was fun to watch them twist in the wind on it.

    "Well, this is talking about a simple act, destroying a box to get the candy out. Christmas is a whole other thing entirely."

    Yeah, whatever, little cult-member. Perform your ritual, kick me out, bub-bye...

    Dave

  • Ellie
    Ellie

    I made a pinata for a jw party a couple of years ago, nobody seemed to mind but then I don't think anyone had actually heared of them before

  • TheListener
    TheListener

    There is also an article that talks about the pagan roots of different symbols, like the fleur de lis for example. It mentions, just like the Pinata article, that it's not what it used to mean but what it means or how it is viewed today. Basically saying that the pagan roots don't matter if it's not viewed in that light today. I wish I had my cd so I could get the reference for you. Can anyone help?

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