Blood and RANK dishonesty! (page 3)

Maximus

This issue really isn't that complicated.

The red cell is a package to carry hemoglobin.
The Society says that I can take hemoglobin but not in its red cell package.

An orange slice is a package of orange juice.
The Society says that I can take the orange juice, but not eat the slice or the package.

Have I missed something?

Hemoglobin from cow's blood is just that. There is no alchemist in a pristine laboratory performing scientific hocus pocus that transmutates "hemoglobin from blood" to "artificial non-blood."

The Society gives only the references that they want to, and then they can distort even those. Both medically and scripturally, as was recently shown in the Gorman quotation distortion--he actually holds that pouring out the blood was a hunting ritual!

Here's the kicker: There really is no disagreement or argument ANYWHERE in the field of medicine or science as to what blood components or fractions are and how they function "naturally" in the body, including in a pregnant mother--EXCEPT among the GB and top decision-makers! It is these who are in disagreement, with the policy determined by majority vote and thus controlled by hardliners.

Is it now clear to you that there is a schism at the top? That's the biggest non-secret of all today.

Forget fractions and blood products: How can we symbolically show respect for life by literally letting a child bleed to death?

How can elaborately keeping the blood in circuit but killing a child in the process possibly show respect for the sanctity of life and for its Creator?

If on earth, would Christ Jesus be making up arcane Pharisaical rules about which fractions can be accepted and which eschewed?

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Child Blood Molestation. Has a certain ring to it, doesn't it, Marvin. The American public may just start hearing that expression regularly.

Maximus

Marvin Shilmer

The red cell is a package to carry hemoglobin.
The Society says that I can take hemoglobin but not in its red cell package.
An orange slice is a package of orange juice.
The Society says that I can take the orange juice, but not eat the slice or the package.
Have I missed something?

Hi, Maximus!

Your conclusion is close to correct but not entirely correct. More precisely WTS policy allows ANY part of blood as long as it is not taken in specified forms (combinates). What do I mean?

Red cells are a good example to illustrate the point. In its own literature, WTS policy is not specific that hemoglobin is allowed. Instead WTS policy says ANY fraction of red cells is allowed. This means ALL red cell parts (membrane, hemoglobin and water) are all allowed as long as they are not taken COMBINED IN RED CELL FORM. They can all be taken together or separately, just not combined in red cell form.

It is little wonder the WTS recently deemed it an act of disassociation for a JW to conscientiously accept forbidden blood therapies. Can you IMAGINE elders trying to explain to parents why they were being disfellowshipped for conscientiously allowing platelet therapy to their child when another set of parents who allowed hemoglobin therapy are viewed “in good standing.” Taking this ONE STEP FURTHER, can you imagine this scenario where the hemoglobin accepting father is an elder, who despite accepting the hemoglobin therapy remains an elder? How do elders explain this to the other parents? Taking this to YET ANOTHER LEVEL, can you imagine this very same elder sitting on a judicial committee judging the other parents for conscientiously accepting platelet therapy for their child? There is just no way the hemoglobin accepting elder could do it, not and have any sense of conscience at all! Like I said, it is little wonder the WTS does not want elders having to judge and explain these sorts of absolutely stupid and arbitrary discriminations! Little wonder they threw this into the category of disassociation.

Maximus

Oh, I get it.

So I did miss a little something; need to review my rabbinical literature. You know, you can eat an egg on the sabbath if you view it as part of the chicken that fell off. The chicken did no work from that standpoint. Here goes:

I can take an orange slice; okay so far, but I can't eat it.

Then I can take the juice out of it and take it in; that's okay.
I can eat the rest of the slice; that's okay.

I just can't eat it in the package form.

Have I got it right?

I can take all parts of blood but not in their package.

Who defines what the package is?

Help me out.

Maximus

SixofNine

Ah yes! But the Elder/father of the little hemoglobin slurping tyke might still read the DA letter about the father of the little platelet munching rugrat!

Or are my comparisons of the medicinal use of blood to the eating of blood antiquated? Hey, what can I say? When I was a tyke, I loved to tell people that "if a doctor told you not to drink alcohol anymore, you wouldn't then take it into your veins, would you?"

waiting

Aha!

Who defines what the package is?
Help me out.

The WTBTS.

waiting

Marvin Shilmer

I can take an orange slice; okay so far, but I can't eat it.
Then I can take the juice out of it and take it in; that's okay.
I can eat the rest of the slice; that's okay.
I just can't eat it in the package form.

Hi again, Maximus.

That’s right. You could even eat the squeezed juice and the squeezed out pulp AT THE SAME TIME, and it would be allowed, no problem.

Who decides what packages are forbidden and which ones are allowed? Unless anyone can show it to me in the Bible, the only other deciding agency is, as Waiting says, the WTS. If we could honestly justify this to Bible students we would be okay. Any takers?

Maximus

I can eat ham.

I can eat bread.

I can eat Swiss cheese.

I can eat mayonnaise.
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If blood is like a ham and Swiss sandwich, then I can take all the components but I just can't take them in the FORM of a sandwich?

They publish pictures of kids who have been killed in the name of this insane policy??

Damned if this doesn't put to shame all the rabbinical stuff I've ever read.

As to who defines all this, let's be specific. What do you mean when you say the Society or WTS?

Is it the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc., the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, the Watch Tower Society of Great Britain? All the guys who will meet in October?

The remnant of the anointed you say? All of them? Faithful and discreet slave? Just a few? On the governing body? How many votes does it take to make a policy God's official truth, disobedience to which is punishable by enforced shunning?

CAN ANYBODY WHO IS CURRENTLY ONE OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, INCLUDING YOU READERS IN THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, HELP ME MAKE SENSE OF THIS MESS?

Maximus
Who like Marvin, is waiting for takers