Dearest Pomegranate... may I ask you...

by AGuest 42 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • pomegranate
    pomegranate

    Oh and PS...

    Matt 5:21-22
    21 "You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' 22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.

    The context is all about MURDER, not calling someone a fool. Christ wants followers to even stifle ANGER, because anger is the root of murder. Avoid the root, then no murder. (See Cain and Abel.)

    I am not calling you a fool in light of the context above (murder and anger), I am calling you a fool in the light that it is exactly what you prove yourself to be.

    ahhhhhh buh bye.

  • AGuest
    AGuest
    John 18:3 - 3 So Judas came to the grove, guiding a detachment of soldiers and some officials from the chief priests and Pharisees. They were carrying torches, lanterns and weapons.

    Uh, yeah.

    DUH! NOT the Jewish leaders.

    Er?! Can we look at that again, please?

    and some officials from the chief priests and Pharisees

    These weren't the Jewish ‘leaders’? These ‘officials’? From the ‘chief’ priests? Praise JAH, that callin’ folks ‘fools’ ain’t in MY vocabularly… 'cause in all honesty...

    The Jewish leaders spurned the mob on while they stayed behind like cowards.

    Nahhhh, I won’t even ask… yes, I will: these ones that ‘stayed behind’… what made them ‘leaders’?

    Soooo...Wrong Again! You are way off lady on everything you speak about. Nothing is correct.

    Surely… you jest. (And I'm not a lady... well, I AM, but... right now, I'm just a servant... so...)

    Rather than condemning a 'fool', he condemned the one CALLING someone a 'fool'... yes?

    Uh-huh, I said that.

    Matt 5:22 - 22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.

    Hmmmm… sounds pretty ‘cut and dried’ to me, but let’s see just what you said:

    You are a False Teacher and a fool
    as prophesied by our Lord.

    Hmmmm… don’t see where the ‘as prophesied by our Lord’ is substantiated, but… well, yep, you said I wuz a fool…

    First, you are definitely NOT my brother, not even remotely

    I think that in this, you err, dear 'Pommie. How so? Even the wicked are the ‘brothers’ of the good, are they not? For were not Cain and Abel... BROTHERS? And is not the wicked determined by HOW THEY TREAT THEIR BROTHERS, the 'righteous', as Cain treated Abel? So, even if you consider me wicked… and your enemy… I would STILL be… your ‘brother’. Yes? Not that I am wicked… OR your enemy. But I think the point’s proven. Can YOU ‘see’ it yet? Nahhhh… not just yet. Gotta get yourself some 'o that 'eyesalve', 'Pom. As my dear sister in Christ JUSTAMOM would say... 'quick like'!

    Second, you are a false teacher that should be EXPOSED, just like the lying Pharisees. False teachers ARE fools. Calling it like I see it by your silly concocted fabrications.

    You’re entitled to your opinion, ‘Pom. But it doesn’t change what my Lord SAID about those who call others fools… in the context that you did… and are doing still. See, just as my Lord said: by your OWN mouth, you will be judged. Neither he nor I… nor any of my brothers… have to do a THING. You people condemn yourselves. All we need do is wait patiently, just as my Lord waited patiently.

    Can't wait to see the next fabrication. (oh joy)

    Don’t know from ‘fabrication’, and can 'see' why in YOUR ‘blindness’ you can’t... ‘see’... but, well… VOILA! Tell you what: why not ‘LISTEN’… and learn? Matthew 17:3

    Oh and PS... Matt 5:21-22 - 21 "You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.'

    And yet, both Moses and David were murderers… and Paul consented to the murder of the holy ones… yes? Yes. Lordy, ‘Pom… my Father shows mercy to whomever HE wishes to SHOW it… Again, I say to you... ‘Listen’… HEAR... and learn.

    22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment.

    Well, dear one, I TRIED to warn you about your ‘fruits’, but you just kept on a-goin'… Do you 'see' it yet? Nope, for my Lord says 'not yet, child'. And I believe him.

    Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin.

    That was then…

    But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.

    And THAT… is yet to come.

    The context is all about MURDER, not calling someone a fool.

    Uh-ohhhhhh…. Whose changin’ and ‘fabricatin’ now?

    Christ wants followers to even stifle ANGER, because anger is the root of murder.

    Well, dear one, I TOLD you to calm down, didn’t I? Well, I mean, I still wished you peace and bid you no ill-will… even while you were calling me evil, wicked names and slanderin’ me… and…and… hatin’ me… would KILL me if you get your little hands on me, right, Paul…. uh… I mean ‘Pom? And you just kept on a-goin'... until you did it... 'sinned with your mouth'. YOU... called down evil... on me. Yes? Yes, you did.

    Avoid the root, then no murder. (See Cain and Abel.)

    Walk by spirit and not by sight. See ‘Pom and Shelby…

    I am not calling you a fool in light of the context above (murder and anger)

    Wait, wait! You called me a ‘goat’, one slated for everlasting cutting off and destruction, so you in essence ‘judged’ me. And you did so out of the hatred in YOUR tiny little heart. You then called me a ‘fool’ and an number of other unsavory and surly titles… but now you want me and others here to believe that you did so "not out of ‘the context above’". Hmmm... I smell a... yeah, okay, ‘Pom… sure… right.

    I am calling you a fool in the light that it is exactly what you prove yourself to be.

    "But I don't change things..." As if all things have been decided… by you. Indeed, my Father has not even finished ‘proving’ what He Himself is… but you've got me roped, tied... and branded, dear one... by YOUR mouth. Unfortunately, pitchforks, no matter HOW long in the fire, don’t scare me, ‘Pom.

    And my peace YET remains… as I am…

    YOUR servant… still… and a slave of Christ… to time indefinite…

    SJ

  • pomegranate
    pomegranate

    Your ridiculous contention is the Jewish leaders NEVER knew who Jesus was by sight, right up to Judas betrayal. They needed the disciples around him to recognize him at the second feast You teach the Jews didn't know STILL who they were looking for and needed Judas to show them a man who made himself VERY visible to the Jewish leaders. That is stupid Miss False Teacher.

    Here's where Jesus starts showing his face, WELL BEFORE the second feast and Judas' betrayal:

    John 5:1-2
    5:1 Some time later, Jesus went up to Jerusalem for a feast of the Jews.

    Lots o people at feats, including the Jewish big wigs (See feast #2). Of course at this point, the Jewish leaders SAW him and could now identify his FACE.

    And here, the Jewish leaders begin to know WHO he is very well:

    John 5:9-10
    The day on which this took place was a Sabbath, 10 and so the Jews said to the man who had been healed, "It is the Sabbath; the law forbids you to carry your mat."

    Starting to spread by word of mouth:

    John 5:14-15
    15 The man went away and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well.

    Oooohhhh, THAT man at the feast. They know that face. They saw him at the first feast in Jerusalem.

    So, what did these men WHO KNEW CHRIST VERY WELL at this point by reputation and sight do???

    John 5:16-17
    16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews persecuted him.

    They saw him, they persecuted him. Yet you contend they never knew him. False Teaching Miss False Teacher.

    What else?

    John 5:16-18
    17 Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working."

    Jesus was taunting these Jewish leaders who saw him and he them. See??? He was talking to people (Jewish leaders) who saw him and Jesus saw them. They KNEW him by sight and reputation. You teach otherwise. That is a false teaching Miss False Teacher.

    John 5:17-18
    18 For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him;

    Well, seems they knew by sight which guy they wanted to kill eh? But you teach they never knew who he was at the second feast. All of this I quote is well BEFORE the second feast. They knew Christ by sight and by reputation well BEFORE the second feast. You teach otherwise. That is a false teaching Miss False Teacher.

    John 5:19-20
    19 Jesus gave them this answer (Jewish leaders): "I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

    Seems Jesus is having a discussion with the Jewish leaders, who he was looking at, and they at him. They know him quite well and SEE him even more so. You teach otherwise. That is a false teaching Miss False Teacher.

    John 5:19-45 is Jesus confronting these Jewish leaders. They SAW him talking and knew him very well by SIGHT and REPUTATION. You teach they never knew him at the second feast. Here are your very teachings:

    >>>>1. The Jews were seeking to kill him;

    2. They would identify him by the MEN he was with (remember? They didn't know who HE was?)

    3. This put HIM at risk of being impaled BEFORE his 'time', to the detriment of MANY, for he had not yet concluded a COVENANT with his disciples... for life... and a kingdom;<<<<

    Point two of your doctrine is a lie and a false teaching according to the Bible. Yet this is what you teach. That is a false teaching Miss False Teacher. The Jewish leaders knew EXACTLY who Christ was by sight and by reputation.

    Much of Jesus teaching was done here:

    John 6:59
    59 He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.

    Who hangs out here? All the big wig Jewish leaders and preists. He was getting in their face. The synagogue was THEIR territory. The Jews saw this man at their prized possession invading their space, exposing them. They knew him VERY WELL by sight and by reputation. You teach otherwise. That is a false teaching Miss False Teacher.

    Now we get to chapter 7 where you say the Jewish leaders never knew who Jesus was, that's why he went to the second feast in secret. Seems these prior two chapters have his face AND reputation as well known as and FBI most wanted poster to the Jewish leaders. He wasn't hiding. His secret entry into the second feast is because HE ALREADY HAD A REPUTATION and it was building, and because of this:

    John 7:4
    4 No one who wants to become a public figure acts in secret.

    Following these very words, Christ acts in secret. Because he does not want to become a "public figure." (He ran away from becoming king, remember?)

    John 7:10
    10 However, after his brothers had left for the Feast, he went also, not publicly, but in secret.

    What about them Jewish leaders who knew him TOO WELL from all the previous confrontations?

    John 7:11
    11 Now at the Feast the Jews were watching for him and asking, "Where is that man?"

    Seems they knew WHO to look for if they were watching for him. They KNEW him TOOOO WELL. You teach they never knew him. That is a false teaching Miss False Teacher. Go look at doctrine #2 above. That is a false teaching.

    Again, at the second feast, Jesus gets in their face by placing himself into their stomping grounds:

    John 7:14
    14 Not until halfway through the Feast did Jesus go up to the temple courts and begin to teach.

    Right up in the Jewish leaders face. They knew that face TOOOO WELLL. You teach otherwise. That is a False TEACHING MISS FALSE TEACHER. All of these times were well BEFORE Judas betrayal, and yet you teach the Jewish leaders still didn't know Jesus because Judas had to identify him to the Roman soldiers to be arrested.

    Here LOOK:

    John 7:32
    Then the chief priests and the Pharisees sent temple guards to arrest him.

    NOT the officials FROM the cheif preists, THE CHIEF PREISTS. They knew who to have arrested here WITHOUT JUDAS HELP. They knew Jesus too well. You teach otherwise. That is a false teaching Miss False Teacher.

    Here, notice they (the chief preists and the officials) are described as TWO SEPERATE ENTITIES:

    John 19:6
    6 As soon as the chief priests and their officials saw him,

    The "officials" from the chief priests are NOT the chief preists who knew Jesus too well Miss False Teacher. He hung out and got down in their church EXPOSING THEM. He grooved with the teachings of truth in the temple courtyards exposing the filthy scum bag Jewish LIARS. Other wise it would have SAID the chief priests went with Judas. It doesn't say that.

    John 19:6
    6 As soon as the chief priests and their officials saw him,

    John 18:3
    some officials from the chief priests and Pharisees.

    Their representative officials FROM the chief priests went, Judas had to identify Christ to the arresting Roman officers.

    You also teach that your lord told you he lied:

    >>>>'did he ever lie', does it?

    Now, permit me, to share with YOU what has been shared with ME... by my Lord... and which, in face, prompted this inquiry by him, which he gave to ME... to give to you. Note:

    "'The world has not reason to hate you, but it hates me,
    because I bear witness concerning it that its works are
    wicked. You go on up to the festival; am not yet going
    up to the festival, because my due time has not yet fully
    come.' So after he told them these things, he remained in
    Galilee."

    So far, so good... yes? Ah, but let's continue:

    "But... when his brothers had gone up to the festival,
    then he ALSO went up himself... NOT openly... but in
    secret."

    Uhhhhh-ohhhhhh. My Lord told his disciples that he was NOT going to do something that he then... IN SECRET... actually did. Hmmmmm...
    And yet, he was 'without sin'.<<<<

    Your lord is a fake and a phony balony. Keep your lying lord. Because he isn't Jesus Christ of the Bible. It's a counterfeit Christ.

    Funny, I don't see your side kick Aaron the false prophet defending your ridiculous premises. Aaron? Where are you? You agree with these contrived and concocted pathetic attempts as truth from God?

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    My dear brother Aaron has traveled to share the
    'good news'... about my Lord... with others, O insolent... and ignorant... man.

    As for the TRUTH, which I TRIED to 'share' with you:

    John 18:3-9
    Matthew 26:48
    Mark 14:43, 44
    Isaiah 53:2, 3

    But you didn't 'want' it. Now, be gone from before my face, for I will not speak with you again.

    A slave of the Son of God, JAHESHUA MISHAJAH, and a servant to the 'house' of that One, Israel, of which you have proved... by your 'fruits'... to be 'no part of'...

    SJ

  • pomegranate
    pomegranate

    You are a FOOL.

    Prov 12:16
    6 A fool shows his annoyance at once,
    but a prudent man overlooks an insult.

    Prov 18:2
    2 A fool finds no pleasure in understanding
    but delights in airing his own opinions.

    Prov 24:7
    7 Wisdom is too high for a fool;
    in the assembly at the gate he has nothing to say.

    Prov 26:7
    7 Like a lame man's legs that hang limp
    is a proverb in the mouth of a fool.

    Prov 26:8
    8 Like tying a stone in a sling
    is the giving of honor to a fool.

    Prov 26:9
    9 Like a thornbush in a drunkard's hand
    is a proverb in the mouth of a fool.

    Prov 26:11
    11 As a dog returns to its vomit,
    so a fool repeats his folly.

    Eccl 10:12-14
    12 Words from a wise man's mouth are gracious,
    but a fool is consumed by his own lips.
    13 At the beginning his words are folly;
    at the end they are wicked madness-
    14 and the fool multiplies words.

    The above FOOL is exactly like you and this thread.

    You have been exposed as a fraud. Your "JAHESHUA MISHAJAH" is a ridiculous fake as are you and your teachings Miss False Teacher.

  • JUSTAMOM
    JUSTAMOM

    WHOAAA!!!

    Somebody needs an anger management class...
    Now I mean no harm or vengeance but my question is:

    Was the Apostle John crazy too when he said "My Lord"???

    Revelation 7:14: "So right away I (John) said to him 'MY LORD', you are the one that knows."

    Wait...he even answered poor ol crazy John and said, "These are the ones that come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

    Point made! Since there is only "ONE lord, One faith, One baptism"...someone who has a PERSONAL relationship with HIM is now condemmned for calling upon him as "My lord"???

    What next?

    Just a Mom (Kim)

  • pomegranate
    pomegranate

    WHOAAA, have you read the Bible?

    >>>someone who has a PERSONAL relationship with HIM is now condemmned for calling upon him as "My lord"???<<

    Please see Paul's example as exposed plainly in addressing the Lord in a GROUP setting.

    Luke 6:46
    46 "Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?

    Matt 7:21-23
    21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

    Christ decideds who HE has the PERSONAL relationship with, not the person's CLAIM to have a PERSONAL relationship with Christ.

    Matt 25:33
    33 HE will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

    Notice it doesn't say YOU can put yourself on His right. Christ decides who had/has the relationship with him.

  • logical
    logical

    Pom,

    Did Paul write the gospel of Luke? Matthew?

    DUH its entirely proper to address Jesus as "My Lord" as indeed he is the Lord of his people. Even I can see that and im stupid.

    Quit this childish little game Pom, you little Pharisee, trying to trip up AGuest etc with their words.

  • pomegranate
    pomegranate

    >>Did Paul write the gospel of Luke? Matthew?<<

    No he didn't. Yet Paul still saw Christ at his conversion. And yet, ALL his letters use "OUR LORD" period. ANYONE referencing Christ as "My Lord" in the Gospels had him alive in the flesh first person, AND ADDRESSED HIM SO TO HIS FACE. No where in the Bible will you find ANYONE referencing "MY LORD" to another believer. Period. It is a phrase of self righteous segregation.

    >>DUH its entirely proper to address Jesus as "My Lord" as indeed he is the Lord of his people. Even I can see that and im stupid.<<

    Well, maybe someone who admits to their stupidity is just as they confess. It is entirley PROPER to address Christ as "My Lord" when communicating directly to HIM. That IS NOT THE problem.

    One person says, My Lord says blah blah blah...
    Another person says, well My Lord says blah blah blah...

    When WE admit to ONE Lord in a group setting, the Lord is OURS and NOT MINE. "My Lord" in a group setting is a phrase of segregation. It is not unlike this:

    Luke 18:9-13
    9 To some who were confident of their own self righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: 10 "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men-robbers, evildoers, adulterers-or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'

    13 "But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'

    >>Quit this childish little game Pom, you little Pharisee,<<

    A self admitted stupid person is also a finger pointing name caller...by your own words you identify yourself.

    Well, by the law, Paul was also a "Pharisee"...

    Phil 3:4-5
    If anyone else thinks he has reasons to put confidence in the flesh, I have more: 5 circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; in regard to the law, a Pharisee;

    I'll take your comment in the Apostle Paul's sense.

    >>trying to trip up AGuest etc with their words.<<

    She does just fine tripping herself up. She needs no help from me.

  • AGuest
    AGuest
    No where in the Bible will you find ANYONE referencing "MY LORD" to another believer. Period. It is a phrase of self righteous segregation.

    My Lord has directed me to ask YOU, dear 'Pom, whether YOU think David guilty of self-righteous segregation:

    "The utterance of JAH... TO MY LORD... is:
    'Sit at my right hand'..."

    Psalm 110:1

    and to ask you... to WHOM was David speaking and why did HE refer to my Lord as "my Lord"? Is it YOU who have been chosen to determine who is 'righteous'... and who is not? You are correct: I did not choose my Lord... but in truth, HE... chose ME... and in doing so... became MY Lord, as I have accepted him as such.

    I refer to my Lord in this way so that there is NO doubt in HIS mind... that I accept him as my Lord. My 'witness', therefore, is NOT for you, so much as it is for him... for the angels... and for the Adversary.

    Leave from before me, 'Pom... for you are a man of contention. And 'contentions', are a 'fruit' NOT of the spirit... but a 'work' of the flesh.

    A slave of Christ,

    SJ

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