Sciavo autopsy

by rebel8 49 Replies latest watchtower medical

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  hillbilly

  What a callous, despicable comment to make about people who have just experienced a horribly traumatic event in their lives.
  
  
  While it may in fact be true that Ms. Schiavo had no chance, it should have been up to her parents to make that decision, not her estranged, adulterer husband, who had already produced bastard offspring with someone else.

  I guess that makes me bastard of the year for my earlier post. Tammy I think you're right.

  While it may in fact be true that Ms. Schiavo had no chance, it should have been up to her parents to make that decision, not her estranged, adulterer husband, who had already produced bastard offspring with someone else

  I thought most states still give husbands "next-of kin" status, therefore, the right to make such decisions. I feel bad for her parents... but there uphill battle for what, over 10 years, helped to drive this guy into being an "adulterer husband". I dont condone the guy.

  I think all of us would like to think we'd stick this situation out, but the fact is, he's not the first person to step out on a terminal, vegitative spouse. Schiavo may be a rat bastard but he's the only one who 'got' it. She was dead... and needed some peace. Her parents, moral as their argument seems were just WRONG. I was in Florida when this started... I said it was wrong then and I stick by it.

  Sometimes it's just your time to go.... modern medical capabilities muddle that and prolong not only existance but help to make life a living hell for the living.

  ~Hill
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  Abaddon

  144etc.

  Normally I'm more-or-less in agreement with you.

  However, the husband was right, yet he's somehow still wrong? Sweet.

  I personally never bought the more negative propoganda people were pushing about him, as most of the stuff I loooked into was distortion. Before posting what I did I actually wrote a sentence along the lines...

  "Somehow I doubt all those who said nasty stuff about him won't get around to retracting their statements".

  ... but decided not to include that as I didn't want to cause an arguement.

  How right I was! But I didn't think people would still be sticking one on him.

  Quite frankly if someone is willing to chain themselves to an animated corpse for years, they can criticise a person for carrying on their life, rather than effectively putting it on hold. Until then, it's bullcrap. For those of you who feel 'animated corpse' is harsh, which part of the autopsy is under dispute?
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  EvilForce

  It's all so easy to second guess the agonizing decisions of others, isn't it? It's all so easy to stand back and berate the husband of the late Terri Schiavo for conduct past and present, real and imagined. Call the parents all sorts of names.
  
  Now an autopsy has confirmed what more than a dozen courts and judges had already been convinced of - that Terri Schiavo was indeed in a persistent vegetative state - a state from which there was no return. The damage was irreversible, a medical examiner ruled.
  
  During the years since her collapse in 1990, her brain had shrunk to half the size of a normal brain, the autopsy discovered. And since the vision center of her brain had ceased to function, she was also blind. The 4-year-old video that purported to show Terri Schiavo reacting to her parents, turning toward them, smiling, was little more than wishful thinking.
  
  Last I read Terri's parents were still going to be challenging the results. I hope they can find some resolution and deal with their loss and find some sort of solace.
  
  But this should teach us all a lesson. Make sure you have written medical directives on how you would want to be treated in a similar situation. If you would like to be kept alive like this....make your views known. If not make them known too.
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  144001

  To clarify my opinion and previous comment, regardless of where you stand on the issue, disparaging folks who are still grieving over the death of a family member they fought so hard to keep alive is pretty cruel, although I do understand that the person who made the comment I responded to apparently feels so strong about the issue that she allowed her moral convictions to overcome her compassionate side.
  
  I do not argue with the scientific evidence that Ms. Sciavo would likely never have recovered from her condition. That is not the issue. The issue is, when someone leaves no instructions as to their desires regarding medical treatment, and then becomes incapacitated, who should make the decisions regarding her treatment? In the Sciavo case, her estranged husband fought hard and ultimately successfully to starve and dehydrate his estranged wife to death. I think his desires regarding Terri should have been subordinated to those of her parents, because during the time he was asserting his right to so starve and dehydrate his wife, he was a blatant adulterer and was raising bastard children attributable to said adultery. He could have divorced her and allowed her parents, who were willing to take over her care, to do so. This subhuman didn't even allow her parents to be with her when she passed. I realize that my view is a moral one rather than a legal one, but it seems rather unfair that this creep was allowed to make the decision instead of those who really loved Terri.
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  rebel8

  Yes, we all should write our medical directives.

  While it may in fact be true that Ms. Schiavo had no chance, it should have been up to her parents to make that decision, not her estranged, adulterer husband, who had already produced bastard offspring with someone else.

  That would have been illegal.

  Moral of story for both points: The time to make decisions (ie, pass new laws or write advanced directives) is before something major happens.
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  144001

  "But this should teach us all a lesson. Make sure you have written medical directives on how you would want to be treated in a similar situation. If you would like to be kept alive like this....make your views known. If not make them known too." Evil Force
  
  
  Excellent point, Evil. If Terri Schiavo teaches us anything, it should be to get your act together about your estate planning. Many think that they don't have enough money to be bothered with this issue, but estate planning is a lot more than just figuring out who gets what when you croak. Those who are parents might want to consider what would happen if they and their spouse were killed simultaneously in a car accident or other incident. Who would they want to raise their children? JW relatives? What about your thoughts on problems like the Schiavo case? Would you like to be kept alive indefinitely on life support if there was no real chance you could ever live a meaningful life again? This issue can be addressed with advance directives or powers of attorney. The point I am making is that no one is too poor to start thinking about these matters.
  
  On the issue of life support, the best place to go for forms is your state medical association. Your attorney can draft legally accurate forms, but the forms prepared by the medical societies have the advantage of being recognized in most hospitals in your state, thereby eliminating any potential conflict as your intentions are carried out.
  
  Life is indeed short. Live it to its fullest!
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  144001

  Abaddon,
  
  We probably agree and disagree on various elements of this case. I personally did not like the political acts of Tom Delay and George Bush who tried to override the judiciary on this issue. The courts had the responsibility of making the decisions in this case, and they did. Although I didn't agree with the outcome, I do respect their decision and resent those who would try to rewrite, override, or ignore the Constitution to effect their own agenda, regardless of the underlying issue.
  
  However, on the moral end of the equation, inasmuch as Mr. Schiavo had already moved on with his life (i.e., adulteress relationship with offspring), I found it rather unfair that his wishes were given precedence over that of her parents. If he was my brother in law, he would have found himself on life support as well.
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  Netty

  http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050617112809990001&ncid=NWS00010000000001

  Oh well, cant take the quote box off, but anyway here is a link to the latest. Gov Bush ordered an inquiry as to why Terry's husband took so long to call 911 after he discovered she had collapsed.
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  zagor

  it still doesn't mean they've had the right to kill her. After all a number of people live only with one side of the brain. We still haven't got a clue what mind really is.
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  Tigerman

  144001 . . .you're funny.