The Purple or the Pink Triangle? : My Choice, My Story

by dorayakii 25 Replies latest jw experiences

  • dorayakii
    dorayakii

    Thank everyone for supporting my thread. Ummm, thanks Sith...

    I know that you are who you are, and being attracted to a man's hairy butt is natural to you.

    Ewww, when you put it in such a vulgar way ... but as a way of rebuttal, hairy p***ies aren't attractive to me either.

    Does anyone know if the below film is available in English?... Looks like something to do with the suffering of gays in Nazi Germany.

    "Un amour à taire" means something like "A love to be kept quiet"...

  • EvilForce
    EvilForce

    yes...I've seen the movie...I can't think of the English name...I'll dig it up and PM you with it when I find it.

    EvilForce - Of the naturally hairless and smooth bottomed class

  • toladest
    toladest

    One of my first "doubts" in the WTS was about their stance on being gay. My BEST guy friend was gay. He was the nicest guy you could ever meet. I was about 13 and he was about 15 when he started coming to my house every day after school and we would talk for hours. He was the son of inactive JW's and my brother started talking to him and he started coming to meetings and his actions ended up bring most of his immediate family back into the truth Lie. He wanted SO badly to please Jehovah. He was also THE MOST feminine guy I had ever met (at the time) , and he HATED IT!. He tried so hard to be "normal". All his JW friends including my brother (not myself) teased him endlessly. They called him Georgeous George. He never told me about being gay, but many years later, when I was leaving the JWs and went to see him he told me that he wanted to tell me so many times. He was hoping though that he could marry me and everything would change. Even though he never told me I knew he was gay. He just was! And I knew it was not a choice for him. After all he ended up getting baptized and then being DFed for it. He helped bring his family back to the religion that was now asking them to shun him. And last I talked to him, years ago, he seemed to still feel guilt even though he was in a commited relationship and they had a son together. I have tried to contact him a few times because I really miss him, but have never gotten a call back. ( If your out there RGO please write me! )

    Anyway, I put those doubts aside for a long time, because to doubt was a sin. After I was booted from the WTS I did a lot of research and have read the book mentioned above about what the bible really says about homosexuality. But even before the research I knew in my heart that being gay, at least for some, if not all, was not a choice at all.

    Welcome to the board.

  • katiekitten
    katiekitten

    Guys, gays, thank you for educating me. I honestly sincerely hate what you have had to contend with. Coming to terms with being gay in 'worldly society' is bad enough. I cant imagine how hard it must be as a dub. I admire your courage and resiliance.

    My daughter (aged 7) has a friend at school whose dad is gay - he was married with 2 kids, and didnt come out until his wife left him. hes not even a dub, but he must be having a hell of a time coming to terms with it. He will never be able to live with his lover / partner because he doesnt want his son to be bullied at school.

    I admire you. I hope you find peace.

  • RichieRich
    RichieRich

    DUDE!!

    YOU'RE GAY!!!???!!!

    I can accept that.

    And the GB begins to sweat....

  • hamsterbait
    hamsterbait

    I have to say that "choice" of sexual orientation in the psycho literature is different from what the WTS says is choice.

    They imply that a wicked impudent disobedient child sits down one day and asks "what do i want to do with my genitals when I am all growed up??"

    GARBAGE.

    Sexual feelings are discovered. No straight man was ever asked "when did you realise you were straight?"

    No straight guy has ever asked himself at onset of puberty - "am I gay?"

    I was raped by my male babysitter at the age of four, but I have never been tempted to repeat the sex act with another male and I am now 45. According to the "corruption theory" I should be a total manslut....

    Live your own life.

    Be true to yourself and you will be happy.

    Abaddon put some good things up about how the WTS distorts the meaning of "choice of orientation."

    HB

  • toreador
    toreador
    I'm not gay. The thought of feeling affection and sexual attraction to another man is repulsive to me. Homosexuality is un-natural. However...


    I know homosexuals are born that way and have no control over their feelings. I know that you are who you are, and being attracted to a man's hairy butt is natural to you. I have the utmost respect for most gays.


    I'm really behind you guys. Just don't get behind me.

    Now thats funny and I cant help but agree.

  • avishai
    avishai
    I'm not gay. The thought of feeling affection and sexual attraction to another man is repulsive to me. Homosexuality is un-natural. However...


    I know homosexuals are born that way and have no control over their feelings. I know that you are who you are, and being attracted to a man's hairy butt is natural to you. I have the utmost respect for most gays.


    I'm really behind you guys. Just don't get behind me.
    Now thats funny and I cant help but agree

    These kinda comments ARE'NT funny. As they A) insinuate that all gay men are gonna find you attractive (dont flatter yourself) and B) insinuate's that gay men are by nature rapists. Not funny.

  • dorayakii
    dorayakii

    The negative comment was most unwelcome. In fact it kinda hurt especially when most of us here are supposed to be open minded to change. But i suppose escape from Watchtower prejudice doesn't automatically result in escape from all unfounded prejudices.

    I appreciate the fact that you find sexual attraction to another man repulsive, that was a valid point (in the same way as i find the opposite sexually repulsive), but i found it a slight contradiction that you said homosexuality is un-natural but then admitted that homosexuals are born that way. I know you meant that it is un-natural to YOU, and because of that, i forgive that part.

    But the comment "I'm really behind you guys. Just don't get behind me" was really unnecessary and reminds me of one i got at school for being black: "I'm leaving my wallet on the table there, Just don't steal it"... Although it was said (presumably) with no intentional racist overtones, it still used to really hurt too... but i suppose life is full of hurt.

    Just to reassure you, theres nothing to fear if i get "behind" you. I'm quite capable of having a platonic relationship with another male without feeling attracted to him. Its like saying that a hetero man will rape a woman as soon as he's next to her... i'm sure you'd find that allegation highly offensive... The situation regarding gays is not perfect, i think as long as the media keeps protraying the image of gays as effeminate men prancing around like idiotic peacocks and looking for sex, instead of as the normal people that they are, these types of comments will continue. However, it seems that even if the world moves on a little bit and makes tentative baby-steps toward an ideal situation, it still leaves both JWs and homophobes FAR behind.

    Thank for your experience toladest... and thanks for all the supporting comments guys 'n' gals... keep 'em coming...

    dorayakii of the "slightly-pissed-off-but-trying-to-use-the-9th-fruitage-of-the-spirit" class

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Dor:

    In fact it kinda hurt especially when most of us here are supposed to be open minded to change.

    Where on earth did you get that impression? Wherever you get a large enough representative group of huiman beings you can guarantee that a proportion of them will be morons...

    But i suppose escape from Watchtower prejudice doesn't automatically result in escape from all unfounded prejudices.

    That's closer to the mark! It takes a while to assimilate everything, and some have no desire to do any research. They'd still prefer to hold onto predudices, or be spoonfed the stuff that they don't have a personal interest in.

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