PREPARE Ye the way to ditch 1914

by hamsterbait 28 Replies latest jw friends

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  hamsterbait

  
  

  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  1: Putting in the Greatest Man book where Christ talksof the sign (you know there was a picture of a space sattellite) - So Armageddon will come in the lifetime of those who see the fulfilment of all he predicted. Damn! I wish I hadn't thrown that book out...
  

  
  
  2: Assembly the 'tote' talk when we raise ourselves erect because deliverance draws near. That's when I realised they would change the generation and the sheep and goats teachings.
  

  
  
  3: 1995 change of generation.
  

  
  
  Note the progression, subtle hint of change, change of an "intermediate" doctrine, pull the rug from under them.
  

  
  
  Sundays WT study on the resurrection is the subtle hint
  

  
  
  "If it appears that you are going to die before the start of Christ's millenial reign, you can take comfort in the certainty that relief will come"
  

  
  
  This is building the retaining wall to stop the hemorage of leavers if they just changed the teaching suddenly. Get the gophers to get used to the idea that , even if they realise the prediction of millions now living is a lie, they won't get a resurrection unless they stick with the Borg.
  

  
  
  I reckon the next is a talk or study article that tied with this calls 1914 very gently into question. Get them used to doubting maybe privately, or at least seeing it is open to question.
  
  This happened at this year's Districy Convention. Resurrection was stressed. One talk said: "Some people have even gone so far as to make comments like ' You'll never have to grow up in this system, Armageddon will be here by then.' Never would we want to be that presumptuous."
  

  
  
  Then the Rug Pull. If you don't believe that 1914 wasn't the end of the gentile times, you won't get a resurrection. Or "if you thought you'd never dieyou conned yourself" (a la 1975, 1925 etc)
  

  
  
  Maybe they will first change the date when Christ came to Kingdom power (they did that often enough)
  

  
  
  it's the steps between the first subtle hint and the final rug pull that will intrigue me. How will they get the dubs to accept each little step without realising where they are going to end up?
  

  
  
  HB
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  garybuss

  Good post! Thanks! Did I mention the Watchtower magazine had a refresher course on "new light", the concept, and how it works, in April of 1995. "New light" is the hammer, and the doctrine change is the nail.
  
  
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  ezekiel3

  Hamster, I would have agreed with you...until i saw the new release at the District Convention this year.

  Why would they be printing the same ol' if they were fading away from it? Your prediction may eventually come true, but not anytime soon.

  What Does The Bible Really Teach? Page 215-218

  The 2,520 years began in October 607 B.C.E., when Jerusalem fell to the Babylonians and the Davidic king was taken off his throne. The period ended in October 1914. At that time, "the appointed times of the nations" ended, and Jesus Christ was installed as God's heavenly King.*-Psalm 2:1-6; Daniel 7:13, 14. (* From October 607 B.C.E. to October 1 B.C.E. is 606 years. Since there is no zero year, from October 1 B.C.E. to October 1914 C.E. is 1,914 years. By adding 606 years and 1,914 years, we get 2,520 years. For information on Jerusalem's fall in 607 B.C.E., see the article "Chronology" in Insight on the Scriptures, published by Jehovah's Witnesses.)
  
  Just as Jesus predicted, his "presence" as heavenly King has been marked by dramatic world developments--war, famine, earthquakes, pestilences. (Matthew 24:3-8; Luke 21:11) Such developments bear powerful testimony to the fact that 1914 indeed marked the birth of God's heavenly Kingdom and the beginning of "the last days" of this present wicked system of things.-2 Timothy 3:1-5.

  More info on the new book here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/92777/1.ashx
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  hamsterbait

  Ez3,

  Any old timer will be put off the scent by this (let's face it most of us were in comas).

  This simply damps down the cognitive dissonance raised by the resurrection talks. Once it fades they'll probably pull another rabbit out of the hat. After all they were still touting 1874 at the assemblies prior to the realease of the new light on 1914.

  Reassure these old ones so they don't change their will. Slip something in to con the young ones....

  HB
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  VM44

  "If it appears that you are going to die before the start of Christ's millenial reign, you can take comfort in the certainty that relief will come"

  It really is very comforting to know that a duplicate of me with all my memories will be alive after I die.

  Now I feel so much better.

  --VM44
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  I quit!

  Nine more years and it will be the 100th anniversary of Christ return and what has he done? Even the Jdubs have got to be starting to wonder if he is just a slow starter or could the WT be wrong. They need a new date but based on what? And how do they get rid of the old one? I guess the could say he started to come back in 1914 but forgot his wallet and had to go back for it.
  
  I don't know how they will do it but I'm sure it is on their minds.
  
  They were able to change the date from 1874 to 1914 without too much fuss.
  
  Any suggestions for a new date? I'm sure they would appreciate the help.
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  bother_forever

  Not sure of any new, dates, but "when they cry peace and security", oops i mean, " when you hear reports of these things", no thats not the one i was thinking of its:"As a thief in the night no one knows the day or the hour". Hang on i m sure i forgort "when the good news is peached in all the earth then the end will come", you know what with the sky turning"blood red" and the "sun and the moon, not giving light any more" I m pretty sure all bases are covered for at least another 100 years or so. By the way what the sequence of events again?
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  DannyBloem

  No I can't agree with you. They are so proud that they predicted the 1914. (even if they said something totally different was going to happen).

  The 1914 doctrine is the basis of all. It is probably the most important doctrine of them. All explanations in the revaltion books are related to the 1914. (this is very unbelivable if outsiders read it, because noting really changed). The 1918, the remnant etc. They would have to say that they are not the fulfillment of all the prophecies in the bible.
  They think very high about themselves, all prophecies came true in them.

  1: Putting in the Greatest Man book where Christ talksof the sign (you know there was a picture of a space sattellite) - So Armageddon will come in the lifetime of those who see the fulfilment of all he predicted. Damn! I wish I hadn't thrown that book out...

  I can send you a new one, at least I can write 1 book on my FSR.
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  TheListener

  I don't think they'll get rid of 1914 as christ's return and enthronement. What they will do however, is change the later dates. They will come up with a period of post kingship judging and reviewing. 'The time of the end didn't start in 1914 it started in 1934' or something like that; is what they'll say.

  They definitely need to stretch the 1914 generation thing out longer. I've talked with many many dubs who are convinced they're right (and feel I am also). They all figure the end certainly must come before 2014; how coul d it not! that is 100 years since 1914 and that is not a short time.

  Regardless of the generation teaching the society has stressed that it would be a short time and the friends are getting restless. Most thought the end would come before 2000 and I think that each year that goes by stresses the friends out more. the nearness of 2014 is freaking many out.
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  Check_Your_Premises

  I was never a dub. I was just curious what you all thought when you read those two verses?

  Matthew 24:23-26

  23 "Then if anyone says to YOU, ‘Look! Here is the Christ,’ or, ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will give great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones. 25 Look! I have forewarned YOU. 26 Therefore, if people say to YOU, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner chambers,’ do not believe it

  Luke 21:8

  8 He said: "Look out that YOU are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The due time has approached.’ Do not go after them.