After 30 years my mother now has doubts!! (page 2)

garybuss

Maybe some people's Witness relatives were nice to them when they left the group. Mine chose not to be nice. Their not nice was noted and not appreciated. They choose to be nasty to me and my family. They get one shot at that crap. Never again!

I have all the best information about the Society and the Witness history and scandals, all the original books, the works. I won't show them one single thing. Nothing! I want em to go to the Kingdom Hall, go in service . . . and leave me and my family the f**k alone.

BlackSwan of Memphis

db

well done. your patience and ability to reason with your mom sounds like it is paying off.

she's lucky to have you.

meagan

Es

Job well done i hope you have continued success in leading your mum away from the borg es

Crumpet

She may feel that you aren't apostatizing or causing the society trouble, now. But, after the elder body explain to her why she's mistaken, and how she needs to support Jehovah's organization or there will be no chance of saving you she may (I only say may) change her mind. they can bring a lot of pressure to bear.

I will reiterate what Listener said above. Lots of us have experienced the sudden change in mind after we've had a conversation with somebody where they seemed reasonable. But I think you handled it amazingly well - you;ve prepared the ground for her. You just need to make sure she remembers this. Is asking a question of the society because you are stumbled by its actions and apparent hypocrisy for clarification purposes apostasy? She has agreed that asking questions cannot be wrong unless it is done to stir up trouble. She may be persuaded that you are doing it to cause trouble, so I would try to keep the lines of communication well and truly open between you. Maybe even get her involved in the letter you send - ie draft a letter and then show it to her and ask her outright if she feels its worded "humbly" (use JW buzzwords if it helps) etc - that you are just asking out of an honest heart and that if they could give reasonable answers that could restore your confidence in them... I think it was good that you said that it goies against your conscience to be part of an organisation which has employed similar sweeping under the carpet tactics as have the so called false religions they criticise.

Obviously when you do write your letter please let us see and comment!

Good on you mate

crumpet x

Sirona

What is so great is that she trusts you enough to listen to what you said and not label you a liar.

Sounds great and I hope things work out. You've done really well and it is a brave thing to talk about these things at the risk of DFing.

Sirona

Angharad

Thats great DB

Slowly does it and she will hopefully come to the same conclusions as you herself.

diamondblue1974

She may be persuaded that you are doing it to cause trouble, so I would try to keep the lines of communication well and truly open between you. Maybe even get her involved in the letter you send - ie draft a letter and then show it to her and ask her outright if she feels its worded "humbly" (use JW buzzwords if it helps) etc - that you are just asking out of an honest heart and that if they could give reasonable answers that could restore your confidence in them... I think it was good that you said that it goies against your conscience to be part of an organisation which has employed similar sweeping under the carpet tactics as have the so called false religions they criticise.

Crumpet I swear you are my evil twin and we were seperated at birth...this is exactly what I had in mind....

Thanks for everyones kind words and support, it means a lot.

Honesty

Way to Go!! i just hope she doesn't flip-flop on the shunning when it is announced that you are no longer a JW.

Maybe some people's Witness relatives were nice to them when they left the group. Mine chose not to be nice. Their not nice was noted and not appreciated. They choose to be nasty to me and my family. They get one shot at that crap. Never again!

I have all the best information about the Society and the Witness history and scandals, all the original books, the works. I won't show them one single thing. Nothing! I want em to go to the Kingdom Hall, go in service . . . and leave me and my family the f**k alone.

I feel exactly the same way, Gary. And these are my children.

If they are stupid enough to let themselves be thought controlled by the assholes in Crooklyn they deserve everything they are going to receive as their reward for being loyal to an apsotate cult. If they see the light, that's great. I have my doubts,though. I share most of the blame for raising them in such a hate-filled environment as the WTBTS. Their refusal to ask questions and demand answers is so sad.

love2Bworldly

Wish you much luck, and hope she doesn't get persuaded to shun you. You might share with her the conflicting blood policy, and the Malawi vs. Mexico fiasco if she lets you share more info that is.

rebel8

there is no harm in asking questions

Maybe when she sees the punishing attitude about asking questions, she'll realize they're against independent thinking.

1 idea I have for you is to use wts literature examples to show proof they are not guided by an infallible all-good god.

WTS letter to Hitler
WTS lack of neutrality in WW1

Those are on the quotes site. Don't have the specifics in my mind at the moment, but I put links up on my site: www.jwinfo.50megs.com Navigate to "considering becoming a jw" section and scroll down. Click on links to get the actual citations.

After 30 years my mother now has doubts!!

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