Help on the resurrection

stevenyc

Does anyone know the reasoning of the resurrection of people during Christ's millenial reign from Revelation?

steve

because after the mil reign, christ hands everything back to god in perfection. Therefore the rez would have to take place, people will have to be studied with, they will need time to grow to perfection, and be tested. The last enemy, death cannot be conquered until the dead are emptied from the grave in the res

(1 Corinthians 15:24-28) 24 Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until [God] has put all enemies under his feet. 26 As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing. 27 For [God] “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that it is with the exception of the one who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.

JH

Good answer IP_SEC,

Now why aren't you teaching this door to door?

IP_SEC

Oooo JH, I just felt a little throwup in my mouth when you said that!!

stevenyc

Matt,

Thanks for the response, however:

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and there were those who sat down on them, and power of judging was given them. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed with the ax for the witness they bore to Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had worshiped neither the wild beast nor its image and who had not received the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him for the thousand years.

The start of christs reign has the ones who didn't have the mark (666) ruled with christ for one thousand years, THEN, The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.

steve

IP_SEC

Ok the dub answer to the dead not coming to life until the 1k years ended is: "They are rezed sometime before the millenium ends. But its not until they pass the test at the end of the millenium, and gain perfection that they can really be call "alive". Before the last test and perfection, according to the society they are still susceptible to adamic sin therefore death and the lake of fire. Its typical dub dance around verses. Further proof that a person can make the bible say what he wants.

stevenyc

Thanks Matt,

The reason I'm bringing this up is after reading through blondies WT study I thought I'd go back to Revelation and re-read it. See if the same responses of old come out of my head.

I can't find any verse that subscribes to the dead rising DURING the millenial reign, only after.

steve

PS

I don't know what John was taking, but man, I guess they were some serious mushrooms!

jula71

In all my years as a JW, I lost count how many times that has changed. Resurrection of all right after the big A, then only some and the rest will follow but only a few at a time so the Earth isn't overloading to fast, then no one till after the 1000 year reign, then all after 1000 years, then some after a 1000 years...........all this "new light" really is hard to keep tract of!!

Narkissos

In the Revelation scenario, the general resurrection clearly occurs after the millenium: what is plainly stated in the parenthesis of 20:5a is then described, after the end of the millenium (v. 7-9), and before the new creation (new heavens and new earth, chapter 21), in 20:10ff:

Then I saw a great white throne and the one who sat on it; the earth and the heaven fled from his presence, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Also another book was opened, the book of life. And the dead were judged according to their works, as recorded in the books. And the sea gave up the dead that were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and all were judged according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire; and anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

The WT is also wrong on the purpose of this resurrection, which is not to give anybody a "new opportunity" but to judge the dead according to their (past) works.

skyman

If I get a resurection I'll tell you then.

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