Money is what is accumulated in our society to show power. Whether you like it or not money is what makes us have power today. It allows you to be able to own things that control the way people live. If there is no money as cash we know today, there will be something else. If even one person desires to have more than the next guy, then paradise will be over. And just from what you were saying, what if everyone wanted a mansion with lots of land and were very greedy, there wouldnt be enough room for everyone. And what if someone wants to expand his big house and your little shack happens to be on the land he wants?
Problems in paradise
by gringojj 46 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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confusedjw
I'll be walking a cow behind the barn so it can have an "accident" near my grill.
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gringojj
there will be no poop in the new system
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JW83
JW Paradise = robots
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Sith
"Just because we will be living in paradise doesn't mean that the physics of the earth will be changed."
inbyathread, somebody is going to have to do something about physics...
Right now, the average distance between the Earth and the moon is 239,000 miles. But, our moon is slowly leaving the gravitational pull of the Earth. Back in the days of the Apollo missions, astronauts left behind reflecting mirrors on the lunar surface. Scientists can direct laser beams at these mirrors from the Earth, and thereby measure the distance between the Earth and moon. These measurements are accurate to within a hairs width. They show that the moon is leaving the Earth at a rate of an inch and a half per year. One day, in the distant future, the moon may finally lose all grip of Earth's gravity and drift off into space.
Then the world as we know it would cease to exist. The tidal flows each year are even now getting weaker and weaker as the Moon pulls away, not fast enough that we notice, but it is happening. The Earth rotates at a 23 degree angle currently. With the loss of the moon, it will begin to wobble and may even reach angles of 90 degrees.
Even if the Earth doesn't lose the moon, there will be drastic consequences in the future. The moon's gravitational pull on the Earth is actually slowing it's rotation. The Earth's rotation is slowing at a rate of about 0.005 seconds per year per year. Doesn't sound like much in the short term, but we are talking about forever here. -
gringojj
Thanks Sith this is my point. If you look at the whole picture then it doesnt make sense. I am glad people find comfort in waiting for jehovah.
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Hellrider
LoL, funny thread. I am a new user btw, I grew up in JW, but left at 15. I`m now 31, but all that crap is still with me.
Trouble in Paradise: I experienced becoming a father two and a half years ago. That`s a fantastic joy, and as close to "purpose of life" you can get, I think. That will of course have to stop in paradise. Sooner or later, there will be no room for any more inhabitants, and everyone will have to stop having babies. Everyone will look young and good forever and forever, but what for? You can`t DO anything with those good looks (in matters with the opposite sex...;o), because I assume that sex will be abolished, at least when the earth is filled up with people. Well, you`ll be in good health, and you can take up mountainclimbing, of course, and travel the world. But after a while, you will have climbed all the mountains in the world. Same thing goes with scuba diving. So, what`s left then?
And one more thing: Yes, of course, you`ll stay young ang healthy forever, and never get sick, but what about accidents? What if I go mountain-climbing, fall down, and land on my head? Or if a gigantic rock falls on my head and turns me into a raw hamburger? Just put a bandaid on? ;o) I just to think about that stuff a lot when I was younger.
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inbyathread
Obviously some posting here do not believe that God has the ability to take care of the earth. With attitudes like that, one will never want to understand how something can be corrected. If they did, then they would have to accept the foolishness of their childish questionings. You say "look at the big picture". I say "Look at the creator of the universe" Since he created the earth and everything else, certainly he can touch the moon and correct its course when its necessary. The scriptures state that the earth was made to be inhabited, that it would stand to times indefinate. Since you are looking at the big picture, can I assume that you don't look at scripture for any answers?
Those who have posted here who understand paradise, have put their trust and faith in God to correct the environmental problems and remove from the earth, those who continue to have a selfish and greedy mindset.
Gringojj, I take my leave.
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EvilForce
There would always be a Sunday talk or assembly part on how paradise will be. The Jo Ho's would always comment on how things will be. They would bring up the most inane things and proclaim them fact. When I would question these things I was told "you must wait on Jehoba, you are showing a lack of faith". Um....wait a minute....you can comment with sheer certainty about HOW THINGS WILL BE.....and then I'm showing lack of faith by pointing out inconsistencies with these "FACTS"?
I'd ask why are all the people in the pictures wearing clothes......we'll be perfect therefore naked right? No...it's too cold because of the flood changing the atmosphere.
In paradise God will take care of our every want....since we will need to give up eating meat....he'll create "meat trees". Trees that's fruit is just like meat. I'd ask "Um...won't WE have to make some sacrifices since it is paradise?" - No God will remove all our imperfections and make us the way he wants. Hmmm....ok, well why wouldn't he just make human's lose the appetite for meat?
Combines, tractors and what not would be "blessed by Jah" so as not to break down nor wear out. Let's see God can't be bothered to show up ONCE in the past 2,000 years....um....he's going to get his fat ass off the privy and fix my broken down tractor in paradise?
I found it sad how childish and simplistic these boobs.....I mean BOE would paint paradise. In paradise we will never have any pain, hardship, care, nor want for anything. How stupid is that? -
Hellrider
So, Inbyathread, that`s ok. Sure, God can fix the moons drift, to stop it from moving away from the earth. And he can also stop the process the sun is in, in "burning out". All stars of the universe, ours included, only has a limited lifetime. The sun is like an owen, it`s filled with gas, and eventually that gas will burn out, the sun grows til enormous size (100s of times its current size),and eventually explodes (the earth will be long gone by then). But God can stop this. God can also stop continental drift, which causes the continents to drift apart and rub against each other, which is what causes earth quakes. The question is, however: Why did God make it so in the first place. Why did he create the sun in a manner that would eventually make it "burn out", why did he create the drifting of the moon if there indeed was no "big bang", why did he create the earth with continents that drifts, causing earthquakes? Was it to bewilder the human race?, and "test us" (I know that would probably be your explanation)? That`s quite a cunning plan, don`t you think?...
About the "problems of paradise": What God would have to do, was not to just fix the laws of physics and human biology, he would also have to change human psychology into something unrecognisable to us in our current state. What about the, to mankind, incredibly important process of reproduction? Reproduction would of course have to stop in Paradise, because there wouldn`t be room for more people, eventually. Still, the desire to have children is important to humans. What about the joy of seeing your one-year-old takes his first steps, seeing your two-year-old learning to speak and accomplish things, playing,imitating adults, all the wonderful things kids do? God would have to make that desire go away. And of course, the lust for sex would have to go away too. There would be no point in having sex (for pleasure), because the basic "justification" for sex is that it will produce children (I know of course that JWs are allowed to have sex for pleasure,but still, that alone would not justify having sex...as the most important aspect of sex is to produce children). The joy of helping out your parents and grandparents in their old age would seize to exist. Respect for the elders (old people, not the elders of the congregation) would seize to exist, as there would be no old people anymore. The list goes on and on. To get to the point: What you would be left with, was a mankind that would be extremely different from the mankind we know. In essence, what you would be left with, would be a huge amount of blindly worshipping robots. If that`s what Jehovah wants, then he can have it without me...