Fear of God

by Satanus 43 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    The beginning of wisdom? Or, a sign of ignorance?

    First of all, the standard christian and jw definition changes the meaning of fear to respect, like a person respects the power of gravity. However, gravity can be demonstrated any day of the week. The power of god cannot be demonstrated, even on a sunday.

    When something bad happened to them, bible jews thought that they must have offended their god. Being of a violent nature, living in a world more violent and unpredictable than today, invoking a higher, controling power brought sense and order to their world view.

    Further, they invented ways of appeasing this imaginary god. Actually, many of them were copied from other cultures. This is a type of magic, the controling of the higher power through a little ceremony. These ceremonies gave the priests a sense of power, and enable them to control the gullible people. They enabled them to harness the peoples' fear and anger to kill and disposess outsider groups.

    Today, our world is more human controled than ever before. When we come home from a hard day's work, we can be sure that noone else will have moved into our house. Even wars are carefully planned yrs in advance and then orchestrated. God has nothing to do w them, although strangely, the most warlike claim his backing.

    Where it was thought that god was making it rain, making things grow, etc, science has shown that god cannot be found in any of those processes. Scientists do not have all the answers, but they have done a tremendous job of bringing understanding, even wisdom to a level never before attained in human history. This knowledge has largely dispelled fear, including the fear of god. On the other hand, ignorance, a lack of general knowledge still often tends toward godly fear. The bible has it exactly backwards.

    S

  • kls
    kls

    Interesting thought Satanus and most interesting.

  • georgefoster
    georgefoster

    If there is an all-powerful god, he certainly should be feared. Maybe we should all be scrambling to figure out how to appease god so we won't be damned to hell. Or, if there's no clear path to appeasement, then we're all just living in fear of an arbitrary and capricious all-powerful god who can smite us at will. If god is out there, he can pretty much do whatever the hell he wants, so why live in fear of something we can't control or understand?

  • A Paduan
    A Paduan

    Like every jw, you have been taught to have reading/hearing problems, building on preconceptions.

    be careful about how you hear, for to him who has more will be given

    it's the beginning, that's it - you know, back at the start, where you choose which path

    How is it that jws clearly state that they "fear God" - doh!

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa

    I am wondering if we could have just made our mistakes and said ........we learned from our mistakes and this is what works best for all.........instead of having the whole GOD thing. Instead of having fear for motivation we would be moved by something positive.

    When something bad happened to them, bible jews thought that they must have offended their god

    I have been hit with a big series of bad things one right after another. By the end of this last week, I was sure I was not living right!!!! You tend to get superstitious. But on further inspection, there is an explanation for each thing that happened, I was not punished by a GOD.

    On the other hand, ignorance, a lack of general knowledge still often tends toward godly fear.

    When you look at some different religions that are "superstitious", we can see clearly what is going on, how silly and primitive they are being. And if you step out of the box, Christianity looks to be the most hocus pocus of them all. With the twist that all these strange pheninoms(sp) really really did happen from the God Almighty........ When they seem so farfetched, and now have stopped happening.

    Knowledge leads to everlasting life..........maybe if we learn that we don't have to continue to live this way, that we will have to make the good things happen in this world, that no higher being is going to come in and "rescue" us........Mankind will be able to live a life everlasting.

    purps

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Georgefoster

    Ah, so.

    Apaduan

    Yes, start w fear and go from there. It's funny though, isn't it, that as knowledge increases generally, the standard god recedes and all but dissappears? Dropping most everything and doing my own explorations has given me more than i ever had in 40 yrs as jw and christian. Yet, it's kind of true, that it is all one long path starting w fear and ignorance and leading to nonfear.

    S

  • tetrapod.sapien
    tetrapod.sapien
    However, gravity can be demonstrated any day of the week. The power of god cannot be demonstrated, even on a sunday.

    satanus,

    LOL, i will never forget that sentence. brilliant!

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    as you mention, science has created a god of the gaps. the more we discover, the fewer and fewer mysterious places, or gaps, he can reside in. as of late, the gaps are so small, it is almost insulting to the thought of whatever god is pathetically residing there.

    also, regarding the god of the gaps, there is a track record to be noted in determining the probability of the existence of a god. the track record of science, is that it has continued to illuminate the gaps which we once thought god possessed. how much longer, how much smaller will the gaps have to get, before people start viewing the world secularly? 10 years? a hundred? if science continues on like this, what is the probability that in a hundred years there will still be such a small minority of atheists? or will fundies destroy civilization as we know it, ergo destroying scientific progress, ergo instilling fear again?

    it's interesting to watch the evolution of the religion meme. the different mutations that have arrived on the world scene. it's funny/ironic/scary that fear, is one of the memtic building blocks of the religion meme.

    nice topic,

    TS

  • RichieRich
    RichieRich

    People want to follow, people want to fear.

    People want a big folder to put all their extra, unsorted documents in. For most, thats god.

  • A Paduan
    A Paduan

    Some jws came to the door, and in pride told me how that jws as a group were those who feared God.

    Silly isn't it - they couldn't understand how I had no fear - perhaps they thought me an 'apostate' thinker or something

  • greendawn
    greendawn

    Ignorant uneducated people always have this propensity to intensely fear a superior power and feel inferior and dependant upon it. Interestingly all cultures from the dawn of history and up to recent times believed in superior superhuman beings and had priests to get in touch with them and appease them.

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