lol, i was just kidding you man... No worries, after you break newby, the rest is easy...
Will the W.T. teach my daughter that it is okay to lie to worldly people?
by hubert 20 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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Netty
I think this would make her start thinking that something is wrong with this picture.
Yes, hopefully it will. And so will alot of other things too.
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blondie
Actually, they lie to everyone including themselves. It is part of the cognitive dissonance phenomenon. The push to appear perfect. They live in the Land of Denial. To what degree varies from person to person. I have seen that some maintain personal integrity in this area by not saying anything rather than telling out outright lies. But withholding information can be lying. Better to say, I don't feel I can tell you that.
Blondie
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carla
I think they lie without even realizing it. I know my husband often will say something then say, "I never said that", or the ever famous, "I don't remember". Somehow if he doesn't remember it, that makes it ok. Then his 'motives' become the question. Very good at bait & switch. Change to focus of the discussion. Somehow he can rationalize away anything he has previously said by saying I have too good of a memory and hold him accountable for every word! Well, is it unusual to expect someone to say what they actually mean? Or he often will say, "I didn't mean it that way". So I would say they teach them to lie in such a subtle way they don't even know it's going on. If you bring up the fact that non jw's (and even within the org, jw's) are not always "worthy" of the truth (see their own literature) they then claim 'everyone' is worthy of the truth. You can only wonder what they mean then! Do they mean the truth as in not a falshood or do they mean their 'truth' as in jw beliefs? carla
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ithinkisee
Not so much lie .... but they will teach her to justify everything - even when it doesn't make sense.
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Will Power
back in the days when I used to care.....
carla: I know my husband often will say something then say, "I never said that", or the ever famous,.....
If I was too pressing during a discussion, oh lets say about "who's your mediator"...when the conversation got out of control (9 times out of 10) cause it was so circular and so many JW words have new cult definitions, If the classic "I never said that" came out it usually meant that WT argument was so weak & ridiculous that I was somehow blamed for it!
So many WT articles can be used to show the fraud, yet when you point it out, somehow YOU'RE anti WT, and its all your fault. !!
yes, the Society's enforcement of "you must lie, even to yourself" to keep the fantasy going is nothing short of mental cruelty.
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Netty
I know my husband often will say something then say, "I never said that
This one just burns me up. I recently called my dad on a few of the societies false teachings, and that's what I got from him. The society never said that. GRRR!
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hubert
Well, I didn't comment on my post, because I am getting so many different views, I just don't know what to say.
I will say however, that I appreciate all the views I am getting. It does give me some encouragement, even if it may not help my problem. Time will tell, I guess. Thanks.
Hubert
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zev
hubert...
they do it by not "saying it out right" but by deceptive means.
they don't say, "its ok to lie to worldy people".
instead they say, "say this in response to such and such." whereby the response in clearly a lie or falsehood, its deemed "ok" by the r&f because it comes from "mother" (the organisation).
if your daughter is sensitive to lying, then this may be exactly what you need to reach her. a little seed here and there, and an already accute sensitivity to lying and you'll have her back out of that cult in short order.
i know you say she is not baptized, but tis the season, i hope maybe she has not had it planned for any summer assemblies?
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jeanniebeanz
Will the W.T. teach my daughter that it is okay to lie to worldly people?
YES!!! Whenever they feel it'll cover the societies ass, they'll expect her to lie.
J