Isn't caffeine a drug?

by Fatfreek 10 Replies latest watchtower medical

  • Fatfreek
    Fatfreek


    During the early days of the WT tobacco ban I can recall the six month (or so) leeway period in which baptized ones who were still using tobacco could quit those nasty habits. I also recall one of those elderly brothers at that time who always reeked of smoke on his breath and his clothes. I actually felt sorry for this smoker who had done this since childhood. I felt sorry because I knew how difficult it was to quit and I did that at age 20, only 7 years into the habit.

    Glenn died during that leeway period. His wife confided in me that he would've never quit and she actually felt relieved that he was able to beat the disfellowshipping that would have resulted.

    I, and others, privately discussed this issue along with the caffeine issue. Some of us thought that it wouldn't be long before a prohibition on coffee products would be announced.

    I wonder now if that was ever on the horizon for a banning by the GB? I believe the Mormons, for one, ban that drug although I don't know the consquences for those that violate the ban.

    Any thoughts?

    ps: excuse me while I take a sip of my Columbian Supremo!

  • Qcmbr
    Qcmbr

    LDS don't ban it though we get close with a ban on tea and coffee. There is a grey area about coke and pepsi which has never been officialy defined.Non-perscription drugs of the illegal variety are banned though.

    ..can you imagine if they really banned it though - would that include chocolate (what's the point in heaven then..)

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere


    I'm not aware of any ban on caffeine in the future.

    You have to remember that the primary reason the WTS banned smoking was not for health reasons but because it was viewed as a form a spiritism.

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    w73 6/1 pp. 338-339 Keeping God’s Congregation Clean in the Time of His Judgment ***

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    The Scriptural evidence points to the conclusion that they do not. As has been explained in other issues of this magazine, the Greek word phar·ma·ki´a used by Bible writers and translated "practice of spiritism" or "spiritistic practices" has the initial meaning of "druggery." (Gal. 5:20; Rev. 9:21) The term came to refer to spiritistic practices because of the close connection between the use of drugs and spiritism. Tobacco was also used initially by the American Indians in this way. It can properly be placed, therefore, in the category of addictive drugs like those that provided the source for the Greek term phar·ma·ki´a. The nicotine in tobacco does not have the same mental and emotional effects produced by "hard" drugs such as heroin or the so-called psychedelic drugs like LSD; yet nicotine addiction does definitely affect the mind and exercises a strong enslavement. In Europe at the close of World War II, in some instances cigarettes were worth more than money. Reportedly, prostitutes sold themselves for a few cigarettes, and ordinary people sacrificed even food ration coupons to obtain tobacco.
  • Fatfreek
    Fatfreek
    LDS don't ban it though we get close with a ban on tea and coffee.

    Thanks, Qcmbr, for that clarification. It's good to have you on this forum.

    ...the primary reason the WTS banned smoking was not for health reasons ...

    Elsewhere, I don't remember that but it's certainly a good recollection on your part. Like much of their legislation, I believe the basis on that is a stretch for most common folk to comprehend.

  • greendawn
    greendawn

    I don't think caffeine can be describes as a drug it hasn't got a real psychoactive effect it only increases the sense of energy and drive stopping its use is not really difficult for most people no real withdrawl symptoms occur.

  • BlackSwan of Memphis
    BlackSwan of Memphis

    Wish I had my most recent cd rom available.

    I know that there was an article within the last 5 years or so regarding caffieine being a drug. It didn't outright ban it, but it did suggest it was a drug.

    Meagan

  • heathen
    heathen

    I believe caffeine is a drug . It is in the amphetamine catagory . What happens is that it poisons the taker and the body produces adrenalin to counter the poison . I can't say how addictive it is but know there are many people that can't get going in the mornings without it . I like coffee and drinks with caffeine but to say that it's good for you would be a lie .

  • ezekiel3
    ezekiel3

    Here's your WT answer!


    Watchtower 1990 2/15 p. 29 Questions From Readers

    Should a Christian avoid coffee and tea because they contain the addictive drug caffeine?

    The Bible does not mention coffee or tea. But what it does say can help a Christian to decide whether he will drink coffee or tea.

    The drug caffeine can affect mind and body. Millions of cups of coffee and tea are consumed daily, leading Dr. Melvin Konner to say: "[Caffeine] may, in fact, be the most widely used psychoactive drug in the world." It can increase alertness, raise one’s adrenaline level, and speed up circulation and metabolism. That it is a drug does not of itself establish whether a Christian should shun caffeine-containing beverages (coffee, tea, cola drinks, maté) or foods (such as chocolate).

    Alcohol is also a drug that can affect mind and body, yet what do the Scriptures say about it? The Bible acknowledges that wine (or other alcoholic drinks) can make "the heart of mortal man rejoice" or alter the mood of a distressed soul. (Psalm 104:15; Proverbs 31:6, 7) God’s Word does not, though, indicate that true worshipers must avoid all beverages containing alcohol. What the Bible condemns is immoderate use of alcohol—drunkenness.—Deuteronomy 21:18-21; Proverbs 20:1; Hosea 4:11; 1 Corinthians 5:11-13; 1 Peter 4:3.

    What, however, of the claim that a person may become addicted to caffeine? Many who habitually drink coffee, tea, or maté develop some degree of dependence, though it is debated whether this is a true clinical addiction. At least they feel withdrawal symptoms, such as headaches or nausea, if deprived of their normal dose of caffeine. Here again, call to mind the Biblical view of alcoholic drinks. Though many persons have been addicted to alcohol, it is not forbidden to Christians if taken in moderation. Jesus drank wine; he even miraculously made wine at a wedding feast.—Matthew 26:29; John 2:3-11.

    Still, a Christian might feel that he would prefer not to risk becoming dependent on caffeine. If being deprived of his regular intake of caffeine makes him irritable ("coffee nerves"), he might consider abstaining from caffeine as a demonstration of "self-control." (Galatians 5:22, 23) Since the Bible does not mention abstinence from beverages containing caffeine, the decision about coffee or tea must be made individually. Moderation is appropriate if a Christian consumes either.—Compare Titus 2:2.

    Moderation is also central to the question of possible health risks. There are many claimed hazards of regularly taking in large doses of caffeine (whether from coffee, tea, cola drinks, or other drinks or foods). Yet, for each study linking a particular health risk to caffeine, another seems to point to the contrary.

    The logic of moderation is underscored by what the Bible says about honey. It is a natural substance, and the act of eating it as a stimulating energy food is natural (in contrast to breathing smoke into the lungs). (1 Samuel 14:26, 27; Matthew 3:4) However, you can get sick from eating too much of it. The Bible warns: "Is it honey that you have found? Eat what is sufficient for you, that you may not take too much of it and have to vomit it up."—Proverbs 25:16, 27.

    Some people cannot consume any honey at all. Similarly, for health reasons some may need to avoid alcohol, caffeine, dairy products, or other foods and beverages. Others may avoid such things by personal choice or because of widespread local sensitivity, not wanting to offend anyone. This reminds us of the apostle Paul’s comment: "If food makes my brother stumble, I will never again eat flesh at all, that I may not make my brother stumble."—1 Corinthians 8:13.

    Consequently, let each individual act in accord with his own resolve without feeling that his decision needs to be imposed on others. Paul wrote: "Let the one eating not look down on the one not eating, and let the one not eating not judge the one eating, for God has welcomed that one. Who are you to judge the house servant of another?"—Romans 14:3, 4.

  • luna2
    luna2

    Well, that's interesting. I had no idea they'd taken a position on caffeine at all. Guess if you aren't going to ban alcohol, it's pretty tough to come down too hard on coffee, tea and sodas.

    Some people cannot consume any honey at all. Similarly, for health reasons some may need to avoid alcohol, caffeine, dairy products, or other foods and beverages. Others may avoid such things by personal choice or because of widespread local sensitivity, not wanting to offend anyone. This reminds us of the apostle Paul’s comment: "If food makes my brother stumble, I will never again eat flesh at all, that I may not make my brother stumble."—1 Corinthians 8:13.

    What does that mean? Sometimes this stumble bumble stuff wears me out.

  • Fatfreek
    Fatfreek

    Thanks for the quote, Zeke.

    Sometimes this stumble bumble stuff wears me out

    Luna2 -- you cracked me up on this one.

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