Death of innocent people

by Norm 54 Replies latest jw friends

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  hillary_step

  Big Dog,

  Google, really liked alot of what you had to say. Its like with the anit smoking thing here in the US, don't attack the smokes, attack the problem, educate people out of smoking. How do we get at the source of terrorism?

  You target the ideology and try to unhinge that. Kill one terrorist, it makes two more. Kill the ideology and the terror passes. A good example of this is the Baader-Meinhof and Red Brigades terrorists during the 60's and 70's. Left wing revolutionary groups they became outdated by a society in rapid progress and now are merely an anachronism of history.

  Destructive ideologies are not new and are peppered throughout mans history. It is the wise persopn who learns the lessons of history and does not merely repeat its mistakes.

  HS
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  Big Dog

  HS, you have my undivided attention, could you give a little more detail as to how the outdating of those groups was actually accomplished?
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  hillary_step

  Big Dog,

  HS, you have my undivided attention, could you give a little more detail as to how the outdating of those groups was actually accomplished?

  History swallowed the ideology and the terrorism died. Education is an all important feature of dealing with an harmful ideology, as is negotiation. Education starts with young people and ends with change. While it may be argued that a theocratic fundamentalist Islam differs from a politically harmful ideology, they are both charged with the same motive - to overturn the established status quo and replace it with their 'superior' one. The fact is that one cannot bomb an ideology into non-existence, but one can put controls in place to minimize its influence while we wait for history to catch up. A proven methodology is economic blockades. Again pre-perostroika Russia and pre-restyled China are perfect examples of a long-term policy that paid off as the economic demands of a modern world unravelled an anachronistic system. Best regards - HS
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  tetrapod.sapien

  the one's that had poorly evolved memes, did not do well, and did not survive. the ones that had well evolved memes, survived and are still around killing people today. like christianity, judaism and islam. damn that abraham dude.

  yes, i am saying that abrahamic religion IS terrorism.
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  Big Dog

  Thanks Hillary, it does always seem that education is the key doesn't it?
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  LittleToe

  Tetra:
  Are you suggesting that Dubya attacked Iraq on "Christian" grounds?

  As a "meme" (a word, incidentally, which you are totally overusing these days ) Christianity has surely evolved past bloodshed?
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  tetrapod.sapien

  hi LT,

  Are you suggesting that Dubya attacked Iraq on "Christian" grounds?

  not specifically. if i did, i would be on a branch that anyone could easily snap leading to my (un)timely demise, surely. however, it has been documented that george bush is a true believer who thinks he has been appointed by god to his post (would explain why gore lost in 2000, but whatever). and THAT is scary. why? because osama-man bin laden is a true believer too, who IS engaged in a holy war. not to mention that georgie thinks he has pie in the sky waiting for him, should he be blown apart by an apoctaliptic nuke from iran, so what the hell does he care?

  i know it's not a christian/muslim holy war, per se. but it sure does feel like one when all the islamic fundie bastards say it is a holy war. and then there is also the fact that the large majority of american army commanders and soldiers are no where close to secular in their thinkiing, and seem to believe that they have pie in the sky, as well, if they happen to be killed by a pie-in-the-allah-paradise believing islamic terror-guy. so it doesn't help instill confidence in me that it is already a subconcious holy war in the little minds of many leaders on this side of the line.

  and, i know i am using meme a lot lately. i think the concept is a brilliant (because my atheist god Jehdawkins told me so) way to explain belief systems, including non-theism may i add, and so i use it. if i stopped because it is getting old, then i would still be explaining the same phenomenon using different words, wouldn't I?
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  Spook

  It's about as easy for a nation to admit a history of brutal oppression as it is for a religion to admit that they are wrong.

  Anyone who is willing to say "America has done wrong" is instantly crucified by the national ego. Globalization and nationalism cannot coexist.
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  LittleToe

  A variety of vocabulary goes a long way

  Any such "Holy War" is entirely one-sided. I'm pretty certain that the avoidance of the word "Crusade" has been intentional. I don't think it's fair (specifically or otherwise) to claim this is Christian against Moslem. It's extremists against the secular world. Most British Moslems and Christians alike, are mortified by it.
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  tetrapod.sapien

  Most British Moslems and Christians alike, are mortified by it.

  certainly. and it is pure speculation on my part to wonder what might be going on subconsciously in the minds of george and his army chieftains too. so you are completely sound in your reasoning.

  (giggling profusely at the thought that i admitted to having a god, and no one said anything about it. he he)