Monotheism - the beginnings of one world govt?

by Satanus 27 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Monotheism introduced the idea of one standard. We are used to that, more or less. But consider when there were many gods, male and female. You could choose the one that suited your nature. Or, if one god wasn't doing it for you, or you thought that it was harassing you, you call in another god to help you. War gods/goddesses, love gods/goddesses, nature god/goddesses, volcanoe gods/goddesses, gods/goddesses of theft, etc, etc, etc. Whatever you liked to do, there was one for you.

    Monotheism changed all that. W montheism, there was only one standard. If your nature was counter to that, you were bad. Of course, it wasn't long before a god for all the sinners was invented, heh heh.

    Rome was the first power that exploited the concept, and it worked wonderfully. However, it was slightly weakened in the allowances of saints as intercesors, and mary as the mother of god, in effect a goddess.

    Protestantism brought new wrinkles into the paradigm. Still one god, but most of the intermediaries removed.

    This is a thought in process. Wanna ad yours?

    S

  • kls
    kls
    Wanna ad yours?

    S

    Umm , no i can't think of nothing

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Thanks for sharing that sis kls. I guess i'll continue thinking about it for a while, as best i can. It must be a really boring subject. Oh well, maybe google can help me. Maybe i really am god, the only god.

    S *mumbling to hisself*

  • kls
    kls
    It must be a really boring subject.

    Boring ? i am not sure if it is, cause i don't really get what you are askingand maybe no one else does either .

    Try telling it in my terms ,,DUH then i will get iti hope.

  • darkuncle29
    darkuncle29

    It might be dry for some, but I jdon't find it boring. Play with the idea some more. If you like exploring the concepts of religion as used by politics, you might like the Dune books by Frank Herbert. They get kinda long and windy at times with all the detail, but they are still kinda interesting.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Dark

    Since i was a dub when i read the dune series, i guess most of the philosophical aspects went over my head. Gonna try and dredge up what i remember of them.

    Kls

    Most political or even human movements use some kind of philosophy, iether as a basis, or in justification of themselves. For instance, the divine right of kings based on paul's statement that all power is placed, or allowed by god, therefore, he who fights the king/govt takes a stand/fights god. My subject goes along this line; one god, one king. The one god justifies the one king holding power. No other kings allowed, no other gods allowed. One pope, one church, and then, if they are successful, they push this system on the whole world.

    Sometimes, the foundational philosophy is jetisoned, but the goal (world domination, in this case) continues to be persued. Perhaps god isn't out of the picture yet. Perhaps it's a trinity of god, captalism and force.

    While jews refused to follow the church rules about charging interest on loans (usery), and so, were ahead in the game, capitalsim was a protestant invention.

    S

  • kls
    kls

    Satanus , i get it now and that is some deep thinking i must say and something i haven't really thought to much about but i must say it would be very interesting to research and i will have to give this some deep thought.

    Thanks for the explanation Satanus

  • tetrapod.sapien
    tetrapod.sapien
    the Dune books by Frank Herbert




    This is a thought in process. Wanna ad yours?

    k, i find it interesting, but i'm not sure if i can just add any thoughts i may have about monotheism, or if i should pick up where you left off.

    so, i will just add my own thoughts.

    I think that in terms of human progress, monotheism was the best development that could have come along at that time for humans. why, some of you who know my anti-monotheistic ways may ask, would i say this? well, it's not that monotheism is the "best" as in, the best of all solutions. in an ideal, omni-designed world, i can think of dozens of better advancement catalysts than monotheism. but, from an evolutionary perspective, it is the best as per how our brains are/were wired, combined with where we were technologically. monotheism did a lot of unification for ideologies that perhaps might have fallen by the way side. ideologies that may, in the mind of a modern human, be dead wrong, but it united people into large structured groups. the main purpose of monotheism, power to a few (who said it was for god) IMO, was intrinsically harmful. but the major & main side effect was an advancement in civilization where a society was united by an idea, rather than by a king or queen. Constantine the Great knew this concept, and used monotheism to strengthen his own power. people now wanted an ideology to worship, not just a king.

    unfortunately, the main purpose of monotheism, the power of a single god over all (actually equals power to the church), is obviously a major factor with which modern society is still dealing. it is a meme that had evolved to survive. and survive it has. however, culturally, people are now at a point psychologically, where they can unite behind an idea, and get things done under one methodological umbrella.

    if we can somehow do our part now, to ensure that this new ideology is methodological naturalism (science, rationality, knowledge, nature), then perhaps our species will be in a place to really go somewhere in the near future. a place, where the idea of human, humanism, is paramount to religion, and is fostering better lives for everyone. western, eastern and earth. a place where technologies that radically expand human potential, are rolled out with equal care, humanity, urgency and openness to everyone. when people start seeing science, and natural thinking process change the world (life span for example), people just might give up the old hang-on mono-god, in place for a new paradigm. a new idea. this is the sort of thinking that governments cannot control once it catches on. mullahs won't be able to stop it, and neither will neo-con fundys in America.

    and that was my attempt to continue the conversation on monotheism. it may have been good for us at one point in the past, relatively. but the simple fact is that it's morally flawed. a product of social evolution. it's time to throw it down where it belongs. on the threshing floor of gods-long-dead.

    incidentally, and ironically, the abrahamic faiths, christianity, judaism and islam, pose the largest obstacle to natural, rational thought methodology. and yet it was their religions that fostered the side-effect cultures, that gave us almost everything that we hold in value, technologically, today, including scientific method.

    TS (of the john lennon - "you may say that i'm a dreamer" class) & (of the john lennon - "imagine no religion" class) LOL

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Tetra

    I generally agree. And that was well put. It has almost served its purpose. It was a necesary step on the road to understanding that we are all interconected on this dirt ball. Another step that may be essential, before we move to the above named realisation, is a one world govt, an idea for which monotheism may have prepared humanity. If so, then there remain areas like china and india that have not yet been assimilated.

    S

  • Frog
    Frog

    Someone (??) posted a paper of Dr Timothy Leary's last week (??) on a thread, on the topic of Monotheism as a technology, a tool. For those that haven't read it, here it is again, tis a worthy read...http://deoxy.org/bom.htm

    BEWARE OF MONOTHEISM

    various corporate logos for popular  monotheisms Monotheism is the primitive religion which centers human consciousness on Hive Authority. There is One God and His Name is (substitute Hive-Label). If there is only One God then there is no choice, no option, no selection of reality. There is only Submission or Heresy. The word Islam means "submission." The basic posture of Christianity is kneeling. Thy will be done. Monotheism therefore does no harm to hive-oriented terrestrials (Stages 10, 11 and 12) who eagerly seek to lay-off responsibility on some Big Boss. Monotheism does profound mischief to those who are evolving to post-hive stages of reality. Advanced mutants (Stages 13 to 18) do make the discovery that "All is One," as the realization dawns that "My Brain creates all the realities that I experience." The discovery of Self is frightening because the novitiate possessor of the Automobile Body and the Automobile Brain must accept all the power that the hive religions attributed to the jealous Jehovah. The First Commandment of all monotheisms is: I am the Lord, thy God: Thou shalt have no other Gods before me. All monotheisms are vengeful, aggressive, expansionist, intolerant.

    Stage 10: Islam-Catholicism
    Stage 11: Protestant Evangelism
    Stage 12: Communist-Dulles Imperialism

    It is the duty of a monotheist to destroy any competitive heresy. Concepts such as devil, hell, guilt, eternal damnation, sin, evil are fabrications by the hive to insure loyalty to Hive Central. All these doctrines are precisely designed to intimidate and crush Individualism. The process of mutating into Self-hood plunges the mutant into this cross fire of neurogenetic moral flak. Most of the freak-outs, bad trips and hellish experiences are caused by Monotheistic Morality. Again, it must be emphasized, that Monotheism is a necessary stage. Monotheism is a technology, a tool, to bring pre-civilized tribespeople and caste-segregated primitives into the collectives necessary to develop the post-hive, post-terrestrial technologies.

    The major evolutionary step is taken when the individual says: "There is only one God who creates the universe. This God is my Brain. As the driver of this Brain I have created a universe in which there are innumerable other Gods of equal post-hive autonomy with whom I seek to interest. And my universe was, itself, created by a Higher Level of Divinity—DNA, whose mysteries and wonders I seek to understand and harmonize with."

    From The Intelligence Agents by Dr. Timothy Leary, Ph.D.

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