CHRIST MUST HAVE BEEN RESURRECTED BODILY!!!!!!

by chuckyy 17 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • chuckyy
    chuckyy

    I have always had a problem with Jesus being resurrected as a spirit creature, even when i was a witness.

    The reason for this is that Jesus said in the gospels that if they "DESTROYED THIS TEMPLE", he would raise it again in three days. But, here"s the interesting bit. This same account says that when Jesus was resurrected, his disciples realised that he had been talking about the "TEMPLE OF HIS BODY."

    If then this was not referring to the bodily resurrection of Christ, what else could it mean???? I never got an answer in my 13 years as a witness.

    CHUKYY

  • Legolas
    Legolas

    I think they say that he wasn't raised in the body because of the scripture 1 Cor 15:50

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    The WTS did not always teach that Jesus was resurrected in the flesh. This teaching did not come along until the WTS decided that Jesus returned in 1914. The reason they had to change to the "spiritual body" resurrection was because of the scripture where Jesus said he would return the same way he ascended to heaven. If Jesus' return was "invisible" and "spiritual" then that means his ascension also had to be in a spirit form.

    If the WTS was to start teaching that Jesus was resurrected in the flesh it would force them to drop the whole “Jesus returned in 1914” thing and 90% of their other teachings.

  • greendawn
    greendawn

    Didn't doubting Thomas feel the holes made by the nails (plural, talks of two nails)in Jesus's hands? So it must have been a physical resurrection and one wonders where the FDS got that ridiculous idea that Jesus's body was disolved into gases.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    It's plainly stated in the bible that jesus took back his body. The wt misunderstands the flesh and blood expression. It simply meant mankind generally, as compared to the spiritual world. That said, it seems pretty dumb for a multidimensional spirit type being to drag around a lump composed of some of the various minerals from this solar system. I mean it is claimed that jesus was god. He has no need of that lump of clay, either to prove anything, or for anything else. Does it have sentemental value to him? That sounds a bit materialistc, for a god.

    Anyone who has done some spiritual venturing is able to see the physical body for the animal shell that it is (not that that is a bad thing). I think this doctrine shows how unspiritual and phoney the nt writers were.

    S

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    The Society's teaching that Jesus was a spirit without a body and materialized different bodies to appear to them is the docetic heresy confronted in the gospels (cf. "Feel and see me, for a spirit (pneuma) does not have flesh and bones", Luke 24:39) and in Ignatius (cf. "For I know and believe that he was in the flesh even after the resurrection; and he came to Peter and those with him, he said to them: 'Take hold of me; handle me and see that I am not a disembodied demon (daimónion asómaton)'. And immediately they touched him and believed, being closely united with his flesh and blood", Smyrnaeans 3:1-2); the purpose of these stories is to refute the belief that Jesus was raised as an incorporeal spirit, lacking a fleshly body. The motivation of docetism is the Platonic belief that matter is evil and the highest form of being is as a pure spirit. Paul's position was somewhat intermediate between these two beliefs. The point of 1 Corinthians is that Jesus was resurrected bodily, but that his body was transformed from a "physical body" (sóma psukhikon) to a "spiritual body" (sóma pneumatikon) -- the "earthly" (epigeia) to the "heavenly" (epourania), a transformation that is likened to a plant growing from a seed that is "buried" in the ground (15:35-44). Thus, the body is no longer fleshly (as assumed by Ignatius and other anti-docetists), but the resurrected person is not bodiless either; Paul distinguishes this state as the "nakedness" the dead person experiences between death and resurrection (cf. 2 Corinthians 5:1-4). In various Jewish and early Christian writings, receiving a heavenly body is likened to receiving a garment, such as an angelic or white robe. There were two common ideas on how the resurrection would occur: (1) The dead person would merely be restored to his/her former body, (2) The body would be transformed into angelic form. Paul's opinion was close to (2). The Society however goes beyond Paul to claim that Jesus was a spirit who materialized bodies and whose post-resurrection state lacked any continuity with his earthly state.

  • M.J.
    M.J.

    WTS says he materialized a body tailor made with nail holes in it simply for demonstration purposes.

  • undercover
    undercover

    Harry Potter is the greatest wizard at Hogwarts

    Frodo is the bravest of all the Hobbitts

    What do this two statements have in common with the story of Jesus resurrection?

    They're all fairy tales.

  • in a new york bethel minute
    in a new york bethel minute
    Smyrnaeans 3:1-2

    this book is not in my bible, or any others that i have seen. tell me how i can look that up

    bethel minute

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia
    Harry Potter is the greatest wizard at Hogwarts

    What about Dumbledore?

    Frodo is the bravest of all the Hobbitts

    But Samwise was the only ring-bearer who willingly gave up the ring of his own accord.

    this book is not in my bible, or any others that i have seen. tell me how i can look that up

    The epistles of Ignatius did not make it into the NT. Here they are:

    http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/ignatius.html

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