by minimus 49 Replies latest jw friends
If I've offended you in any way, I'm sorry. (That's meant to be funny)Thanks for pointing me back to myself.
W.Once
Me Offended? Nah, it's better to give a resentment than to receive one
Actually, I didn't meant to point a harsh finger at you, just agree with you about the JW form of I'm Sorry (meaningless) and contrition as compared to true apology and making amends where needed.
Hugs
Bren
Even when the 1975 debacle caused them to print something to explain it, they put the blame for putting too much stock in the date on the JWs themselves, as if all JWs around the world came up with the same idea at the same through some world wide telepathic communication
Undercover , that is exactually what they said as my husband tells me " It was just some jws in congregations speaking their thoughts and it went out of control." I have showed the articles references to 1975 and he just can't see it that it was the wt that made these predictions. Gawd , it just shows the true meaning of Brainwashing.
i try not to be wrong factually. If I don't know, I don't say.
Morally and ethically, I am often wrong. When I realize it, I usually just stop whatever I was doing.
Minimus,
I hate it when someone apologizes and they really don't mean it.
I would like to offer my unreserved apology for describing you as a 'moron' in a recent thread. Though you do fit the dictionary definition, it was unkind of me to draw attention to this publicly.
When I am wrong I am the first to admit to this, and if another person is involved in correcting my viewpoints I am very thankful;. If such an apology is a rarity for me to utter on this Board, well....what can I say?
HS
I'm finding it easier to admit when I'm wrong as time goes on. I haave done a lot of deep introspection and have been able to release from my unconscious very painful memories of bad that was done to me and the bad that I did to others,,which I had completely supressed from my consciousness. The pain was pretty intense at time but gradually by facing this repeatedly the pain has become less and less. I beleive that is what C Jung reguards as confronting ones shadow and learning how to live with it emotionally,as you confront it the pain becomes unpainful and an object of curiousity.
So because I have seen where I was desprately wrong about God, and what is good,,I think I'm prepared to find out I am wrong about many things,, I really think if you fluidly admit to yourself atleast you were wrong when more facts come to light,,and are understood better, if you don't allow emotions to control but are understood then your actions will be observed and modified much differently.
The deeper one can go with this process,,the more he will understand.
I think it is called the enlightenment of really knowing that one is not knowing. (profound not knowing)LOL
Once I thought I was wrong; but I was mistaken.
I think a lot of JWs have trouble admitting that they are wrong one way or another. I think it's because of being told that only JWs have the right religion and all other religions are wrong that it give them a superiority complex(though deep down inside a lot of them have individual inferiority complexes...that's a lot of complexs isn't it?).
They're trained to never admit error in their religion or take no for answer when preaching. Over time it works its way into other facets of life, especially since the WTS forces the religion into all facets of a JWs life.
That's why sometimes you see new ex-JWs that are a little hardheaded and ultra-defensive. Over time as they deprogram they lose that attitude and become more reasonable and quick to realize a mistake. I ain't pointing fingers at any one person, just an observation I've made in my time here. I can see it in myself even.
Hillary, you can't help it. You're just acting like a Jehovah's Witness, still. That's all. We all understand that you're still in its clutches. By chance were you ever on the Governing Body??
Trying to make sense of the senseless What happens when you try to reason with a typical Jehovah's Witness?You may encounter what we call "dubspeak" (doublespeak) and here it is: Rational-LIES aka "dubspeak" What often is presented is a condition called,"cognitive dissonance" a big word which means- trying to 'justify sour grapes'.It can make you hysterical. Trying to make sense of the senseless Being aware of the-- discrepancy between what we believed to be true and what we come to realize is not true and trying to reconcile this discrepancy this is more or less what psychologists call "cognitive dissonance".The mind (logic) tell's you one thing but your heart tell's you that your mind is in error.--Much like a computer with a faulty program you sometimes have to 'crash' and restart all over again. Perplexed and confused,the defendant of the faulty logic may often resort to the ad hominem argument.Ad hominem,is Latin for "against the man" meaning to attack the person making the argument instead of addressing the fallacy of the argument. Notice-most defendants are sincere but sincerely wrong.Watch out for the psychopath who can never be reasoned with because they have NO conscience. Yes,"everyone is entitled to their own opinion but NOT their own facts". I have been there! I was a 'defend my doctrines at all cost' devout Jehovah's Witness for 33 years.I KNOW the anguish and the agony,yes the sudden impact surreal horror of having to renounce the life-long convictions of my heart. To quote the WWII Japanese Emperor upon surrender to the Allies,"we must now endure the unendurable". Take heart!There is life after the cult!
Minimus,
Hillary, you can't help it. You're just acting like a Jehovah's Witness, still. That's all. We all understand that you're still in its clutches. By chance were you ever on the Governing Body??
LOL....The 'you are still a JW', or 'you act like the governing body' argument. It had to happen....lol I think it was JanH who once noted that this is a common fall-back for those whose arguments have been soundly defeated.
Face it sweetie, if you had an original thought, it would die of lonliness.
Best regards to both yourself and .
HS
