Terrorist backlash - and so it starts (page 3)

Carol

Katie I think what your mother did was great....and I know you worry about where she lives! Hang in there!

Bisous, I believe very little I read in the Washington Post or the New York Times.....after all we have proof that often times their reporters lie through their teeth to make the story more interesting or lean more towards the politics of the owner. And I too am tired of constantly being bashed over this war......it reminds me of Viet Nam. I don't support any war, but I do support the men and women that are fighting it (in the last seven years my neighbor has been gone 4 years....bosnia, bosnia, Iraq, Iraq.....she works for the US Postal Service, is in the Army Reserve and delivers mail to the armed forces). Yes we had a few isolated incidents in the US after 9/11/01 and we've had a few since Iraq was invaded.......but the good conduct of the many (like Katie's Mother) far outweigh the bad conduct of the few.

However, I have a question......where is the country of Moslem located? I always assumed it was a religious belief. Also, doesn't being born in a country make you a citizen of that country....i.e. If you're born in the U.S. you're American.....In Canada.. Canadian.....in England...English....Ireland..Irish......and you would be of ?????? descent if your parents were of a different nationality? I know you can have dual citizenship, but aren't you first a citizen of where you're born if that's where your parents are living when you're born?

I live 3 miles from the campus of Florida Tech, formerly Florida Institute of Technology and 4 miles from the Florida Air Academy, a private military school. Both are heavily populated by young men and women (only FIT accept woment) of Iranian, Iraqie, Indian, Isrealie, etc. citizenship, who with a few exceptions, are wonderful people and a credit to their parent's raising. We now have several Moslem Mosques (? spelling) and several Jewish Temples in our area.....they all cry along with the rest of us over the horrible things happening. Our biggest problems seem to be with the prejudice bigots in the area.

Sorry....Katie...I'll see you next week!

katiekitten

Carol you live in an area HEAVILY populated with fit young men and women???

Now you tell me, of course I will come and visit!!!

Agape_24

;/ I am just glad that we have just 500 Muslim here in Reykjavik Iceland......

bisous

Carol -

I don't support the war. I don't believe this war is what it is touted to be ... "Supporting American Freedom", I believe that is a crock of bull#$*! While I pity those who were preyed upon and sold a bill of goods, joining the military to try to advance themselves (the majority being young folks from poor circumstances who hope to improve their situation by first commiting to some military duty) ... many of those there are there because they wanted to be and have bought in to the propaganda being pushed upon them, such as they are performing some glorious duty comparable to WWII veterans.

As far as the media, well ... the majority of the media are controlled by the same conservative right wing corporate conglomerates that fund our politicians ... that is why most Americans are so misled. They will gladly sit by and lap up the bland pap served up to them by their president and his cronies. After all, our government doesn't lie to its people, right?

Hmmm...let's think about that ... Iran-Contra, Watergate, Vietnam, Enron, Lewinsky, Cuba, umm .... and it is the newspapers that are lying to us? they are our culprits, eh?

As to your question of citizenship ... while yes you are a *citizen* of where you are born...look to history to answer your question. With the exception of African Americans who were kidnapped and brought here against their will (another fine example of our heritage) ... immigrants and their first generation offspring typically do retain some level of allegiance to their country of origin ... and retain ties as well. Whether Irish, Italian, German, British in earlier years ... or Asian cultures later on, allegiance and commitment to the relatives that remain, as well as language, religious faith, etc. remains. Many come here to escape the persecution of a recently installed government or such and long to return to their homelands. Even if they are happy and settled here, to look across the waters and seeing they former countrymen being persecuted, bombed, occupied and such can stir up strong emotions. Wait until it happens to us or our offspring in generations to come. If history teaches us nothing else, it teaches us that all governments and ruling societies are ultimately ephemeral.

Look, I don't support terroristic acts by anyone. Not the so called insurgents. Not Americans or others attempting to impose their political views and approaches on other countries through an illegal war, especially when we've all been lied to about the real motivation that led us there.

Carol

bisous, please don't pull the old....kidnapped by white people and sold into slavery card out of the deck! The majority of slaves were kidnapped by other tribes during class wars among their own people and sold into slaverynot only but the other tribes, but also by their own leaders...I'm not saying whites weren't involved as they were....but they were sold by their own race more often than not!

I believe very little of what the politicians have to say.....I didn't vote for George W. and I don't like war.....I know why the original settlers came to this country and I know why over the last 200+ years people have continued to immigrate to this country!

But thanks for the history lesson anyway!

Carol

Katie, I told you before.....pack up your daughter and your partner and come on over.......Richey may be escaping down here after he turns 18 if his Mum gives him too hard a time and I'm sure other's from the JWD will be stopping by to visit.......I've plenty of room and am always up for company!

And, unless she is totally anti ex-JW, bring your Mom for a visit, she sounds like my kind of person!

bisous

Carol,

Revisionism takes many forms. Especially for Americans of today. Let's see, if it is the 2nd kidnapping then it is not a kidnapping eh?

If you think in my response to your comments on my post I actually believed I could teach a lesson with so short a summary, well ... so be it. It is funny how plain facts can be twisted or rewritten in most any way possible. You overlooked the main point of my response, which had nothing to do as to why immigrants come to America, but about their allegiances once here (based on your question about citizenship).

But of course, you've now put me in my place and I suppose in your view taught me a lesson or 2 hmmm?

Carol

No Bisous, I would not presume to teach someone of your great knowledge anything.

I do apologize however to Katie.....for taking a lovely thread and turning it into a debate......Sorry Katie!

bisous

"terrorist backlash" ... hmmm, a lovely topic indeed. now the part about Katie's mom was heartening indeed ... unfortunately the real crux of the situation is far less lovely I do believe.

as far as my great knowledge ... that's rich! no really, I had just sent off a note to a friend extolling the long list of that about which I know nothing! your timing couldn't be better!

You're right about the direction of the topic being sidelined by a bit of a debate. But when you pose a question ... as you did I'm afraid ... then you are bound to receive responses ... some will differ from yours .... thus the debate you refer to ... tis what makes the board go round.

I'm more than willing to agree to disagree. Been here long enough to know that is most always the best approach, especially on the political topics where my views vary greatly from the majority here on good ole JWD.

enjoy your Sunday Carol.

upside/down

the media is basically controlled by the same idiots who run our country currently.

This is a joke right? "The media" loves UU...now THAT's a story!

u/d (of the nothing makes sense anymore...class)

Terrorist backlash - and so it starts

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