Is vivisection ethical?

by greendawn 35 Replies latest social relationships

  • Fe2O3Girl
    Fe2O3Girl

    Since the raw materials of cosmetics have been widely tested, and have a long history of safe use, I don't see any reason to use vivisection for non-medical use.

    What would human quality of life and longevity be like if no animals had been used in drug development and testing in modern history? I think it would be a good thing if all medicines which had been developed and tested using vivisection were clearly marked. Then all diabetics, cancer patients, heart disease sufferers, anyone who has a headache, anyone of those wicked people who have sex when they aren't trying to conceive, and so on, would be able to make an informed decision about whether to support these techniques.

  • Dragonlady76
    Dragonlady76

    No

    But I do understand the need to use animals for medical purposes.

    DL76

  • upside/down
    upside/down
    "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."

    Let's see we have Doggy and Kitty Boutiques...massage parlors...doctors & hospitals... retreats.... chiropractors... energy "doctors"... psychics...manicurists...dentists and cemeteries for our "animals" here in the bad 'ol US of A...

    Does THIS make us "great"...?

    u/d(of the human without health insurance class)

  • talesin
    talesin

    NO! It is wrong, wrong, wrong. One of humanity's biggest conceits is that our lives are more valuable than the other animals on the planet.

  • loyal2truth
    loyal2truth

    We also have:

    • Leg-hold traps (banned in 65 other countries).
    • Canned hunts.
    • Countless abandoned "pets"
    • Factory farms
    • The Veal industry
    • LD/50 tests (banned in many countries as barbaric and inconclusive)
    • Caustic eye tests (of cosmetics)
    • Other painful experiments performed without anesthetic.
    • etc...

    There are a few weak laws that seek some minor level of protection for the countless animals being daily abused in U.S. industries (they don't cover "farm animals" and are routinely ignored by experimenters). Bush is doing his best to repeal those laws.

    How great does that make us?

  • chrissy
    chrissy
    Let's see we have Doggy and Kitty Boutiques...massage parlors...doctors & hospitals... retreats.... chiropractors... energy "doctors"... psychics...manicurists...dentists and cemeteries for our "animals" here in the bad 'ol US of A...

    Does THIS make us "great"...?

    Aw, that's so cute u/d. I know, right...you cannot imagine that in the same developed nation, there are such cruel (often unregulated and free of pain relief) experiments being done on the same type of beloved all-american pet; the dog.

    http://www.all-creatures.org/wlalw/index.html

    (warning: not for the faint of heart)

  • seattleniceguy
    seattleniceguy
    One of humanity's biggest conceits is that our lives are more valuable than the other animals on the planet.

    Conceit or not, everyone thinks this to some degree. For example, when you use antibacterial soap, you are declaring your health to be more important than the bacteria on your hands. When you swat a mosquito or put a flea collar on your pet, you are declaring the life of the insect to be less important than the life of you or your pet. In everything we do, we show that we believe that our life is more important than the life of other organisms.

    If you object to this because the organisms discussed above are "just" bacteria, mosquitos, or fleas, ask yourself why you draw the line there? Is it not a matter of convenience? It would be hugely inconvenient, if not well-nigh impossible, to consider all other life as valuable as our own. Meat eaters declare that chicken life, for example, is less valuable than human life. Even vegetarians make the implicit assumption that it is okay to destroy vegetable life in order to sustain their own.

    If you have a problem with animal testing to produce perfumes, I can see the vanity in that. But animal testing to develop medicines? The number of animals harmed in order to research medicines is surely a tiny fraction of the number we consume every year. Are you actually willing to say it would be better to allow millions of humans to die, than to admit to animal testing? Would you be willing to allow your friend or relative to die an untimely death rather than use medicines developed with animal testing, on the grounds that this is the price of equality?

    Animal testing is distasteful, but the alternative is even worse. It is easy to sit in the comfort of our homes, with modern conveniences all about, and rail against the unfairness of animal testing. But I venture to say that not many people would actually like to live in a world in which there was none.

    SNG

  • loyal2truth
    loyal2truth

    Vivisection is unethical, and rarely (if ever) can the results be extrapolated meaningfully from non-human animals to humans (or across any two species). [One example is penicillin – which is fatal to guinea pigs (whereas thalidomide – which causes horrible birth defects in humans -- had no adverse effects on the many species of animals it was tried on prior to its tragic release).]

    The fact that non-human animals kill for food doesn't have any relevance to the question: Is it ethical for humans to inflict their diseases on other species?

    Or do we decide what is ethical for humans by imitating non-human animals?

    Some have said that "as long as we eat meat we can't condemn vivisection." I beg to differ. Lions are carnivores: their bodies require meat. Humans are not carnivores: we don't require meat to live. It's well known that our bodies are healthier when we don't eat meat. So, there is no justification of vivisection on these grounds.

    What is ethical for a lion (eating meat) is not necessarily ethical for a member of the primate family (herbivores by nature).

    Try to see it from a different viewpoint. How would you like it if aliens from another planet landed here and started experimenting on us (injecting us with their diseases, and cramming their cosmetics into our eyes, etc)? Wouldn't you accuse the aliens of being unethical? Interestingly, the Watchtower once held that vivisection was unethical, and published some articles in the Awake on it (this was back around the early 60’s I believe). But they have long since switched over to saying it’s okay.

  • chrissy
    chrissy
    But animal testing to develop medicines? The number of animals harmed in order to research medicines is surely a tiny fraction of the number we consume every year. Are you actually willing to say it would be better to allow millions of humans to die, than to admit to animal testing? Would you be willing to allow your friend or relative to die an untimely death rather than use medicines developed with animal testing, on the grounds that this is the price of equality?




    That is Darwinism, survival of the fittest mentatlity, to the extreme. Gawd, have a heart, SNG.

    Consider that si nce the origin of the Nobel Prize awards for Physiology and Medicine, two thirds of the recipients have been awarded to scientists who voluntarily chose alternative methods to vivisection in their experiments!!! http://www.aavs.org/intro.html nobelprize.org

    Also, according to the Center for Disease Control, it is important to add statistically speaking, most people are living longer today due to enviornmental factors, improved lifestyle changes, and overall higher standards of living. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr52/nvsr52_14.pdf

    Chrissy

  • talesin
    talesin

    No, SNG, that is not true, as far as I am concerned.

    Other animals kill other animals .... yes, they kill flies that bite and annoy them. They kill for food. They kill other animals that threaten their lives.

    I do not endorse factory farming, either, and as soon as I can AFFORD IT, will buy ALL my meat from the organic farmers. (and fyi, www.themeatrix.com)

    So please do NOT infer I am a hyprocrite because I feel TORTURING other living things for our benefit is wrong.

    tal

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