Nazi apologists and the WTBTS crusade against the Internet.

by Gill 16 Replies latest jw friends

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  Gill

  Don't laugh, now! I was watching 'Quincy' this afternoon, and the episode was about the denial of the Holocaust. What the person denying that the horrific holocaust actually took place was saying was that the evidence was fabricated, written evidence made up, and pictures were also concocted to appear that the atrocities had taken place.

  Well, it just reminded me, as many things do these days, of the WTBTS stance on apostates and the internet. No doubt people are able to make things up on the net, but just because information is on the net showing the WTBTS and JW cult to be what it is, does not mean that any of the evidence we have found, especially the old quotes from literature are made up.

  Just another little point I intend to use when battling my brainwashed relations. I think comparing them to Nazi apologists should hit a raw nerve but may cause some thinking to go on in their atrophied brains.
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  skyman

  I have done alot of reading about the Holocaust and yes it happened but like history say's. For ex: history say's more Jew were killed than there was actual jews alive at the time millions survided. Proof for this is taken taken from actual census before the war. The gas chambers said it have killed so many Jews have been studied and the Gas chambers would not of done the job of killing them. Alot of Jewd were killed by the blood sucking Nazis but it was not the figures reported to us today.

  Yes the watchtower will try to use misinformation to the blind Dubs and they will continue to make us look like liers. Just like the Nazis apologist
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  Gill

  Hi Skyman!

  When it comes to exact figures on how many poor people died during the Holocaust, I don't think anyone can ever be totally 100% on that. But that's when we come down to nit picking. If we consider people as just Human Beings and say, for example around 6 million human beings were killed in the Camps, that's when we start to get some where. However, that's when the apologists start to say, ah but can we be sure exactly. Surely if it really happened we would know exactly who and where and what...much like in a court case. You start to go off the point....for example was this young woman raped....or was she wearing a short skirt, or a tight top? And in the end, the actual crime, murder, rape whatever, doesn't really mean anything to the jury. They become involved in the irrelevancies of it all.

  Much as the WTBTS can point to a lot of crap on the net and draw that to the attention of their cult victims, the JWs then can't see the forest for the trees.
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  Sunspot

  There is definetely a paralell to be drawn!

  I have always been more than interested in the Holocaust ever since reading "The Diary of Anne Frank" when it first came out. I have done research about it, watched every TV show about it and read every article about this ever since. Was I surprised when I discovered that not ten minutes from here.....was a refugee camp where some of these survivors were sent! These were the people who saw, felt, heard and experienced the horrors inflicted upon them and their loved ones during those years. How DARE these other people come along and say it didn't happen! Or..it wasn't as "bad" as it was portrayed to be!

  Now, I come along and I am old enough to have seen for myself, read about, and experienced the results of things that the WTS has printed and taught as Gospel Truth. How DARE THEY pooh-pooh and downplay the very things THEY said and printed as if they..."never happened"!

  It not only makes my blood boil, but it invalidates all those of us who WERE part of the scene at the time, or passing things off as WE were the ones at fault for believing their lies in the first place! WE didn't "run ahead of God" as they like to claim (1975--no "end" as predicted) because THEY were telling us that GOD had chosen THEM to be spokesmen and chosen leaders FOR us!

  I only hope that I am still alive and kicking enough to see the evil WTS cult taken down, stomped on, and dissolved, and whoever is leading it be brought to justice. Somehow. Brutally I hope.

  Then WE can say hmmmm...........that never happened!

  Annie
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  Ticker

  That is definetly got to be one of the most aggravating defences of the watchtower, "Oh we never told you to believe in.. (1975 etc.). The R and F just got ahead of themselves and were jumpy in their presumtions." That always seems to be their defence, just point the finger elsewhere and hope that it don't point back and if it does then just disfellowship them.

  Or yes like the point Gill made they just say it never happened, much like Beth Sarim was covered up for along time untill damning evidence forced them to bring it to light. Of course they still downplayed it big time and this is much in the same lines as the UN scandal. Just deny, deny, deny, until absolutely necessary, then blame, blame, blame. It is very frustrating and I always voice that when someone brings up 1975 and tries to blame the R and F, I just tell them plainly, "well maybe your leaders shouldn't have made such presumptions to begin with and who is to blame the originators and enforcers of the idea, or the followers? Sounds much like an abusive relationship to me."

  Ticker
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  skyman

  
  One thing that still amazes me is people don't look at both sides. I AM NOT SAYING THE HOLOCAUST DID NOT HAPPEN. But there is a reason behind the over exsagrations of the HOLOCAUST. We as inteligent people should look at the facts and not turn our heads when we hear something that does not sound correct. Is that not what the Dubs do when you tell them about the UN Facts and about Blood?

  By exaggerating the suffering of the Jews during World War II, Zionist groups and the Israeli regime are taking advantage of the situation by raising the issue at international organizations in order to neutralize any opposition to their diabolical plots. You watch and you can see what Isreal is up to and what that hate does to a nation. Isreal is imbarking on the same road that Hitler did. They think they have to destroy other before they have it happen to them again.

  No one is trying to ignore the suffering of the Jews at the hands of the Nazis, but the suffering of a religious/ethnic group should not cause the world to forget the suffering of another nation or allow those who suffered persecution to do the same injustice to others.
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  skyman

  Here is a copy and paste article just on this issue. "The Internet provides a unique forum for Holocaust denial. While deniers continue their offline activities, such as disseminating pamphlets and organizing conferences, many web sites provide a cheap and efficient way of presenting large amounts of material in an easily accessible form. The Internet, through hyperlinks, email and discussion boards, encourages the small denial groups to form an online community which can communicate quickly and easily. The prevalence of Holocaust denial on the internet is forcing counter-deniers to enter the debate, challenging them to respond to denial claims, to examine the underlying ideologies of denial, and to expose methodological errors. Below are a list of Holocaust denial web sites and counter-denial web sites."

  Internet Sources | Bibliographies on the Web | Searching for Holocaust Denial on the Web | Print Resources | Reference Sources
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  confusedjw

  I worked with a guy who denied the Holocaust.

  One BIG POINT that he kept making was that German grade school books say that 4 million Jews died and ours say 6 million. Proving that the number were definately in dispute.

  By hey if it was only 4 million, what's the fuss?
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  stevenyc

  Yesterday, while searching for German inventions for an amusing post in the Hilter ain't so bad thread, I came across a neo nazi blog where the guy was in denial over the holocaust. It was staggering how much bull this guy believed and was spewing. He said that the photo evidence and documents (yes the nazis were ever so careful to document indiviual people they were killing) were a complete fabrication on the west to justify the killing of germens!

  It did remind me of WTBTS denials.

  steve
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  ezekiel3

  Let the WTS keep denying.

  Let them show off their cult to the world.