Nazi apologists and the WTBTS crusade against the Internet.

by Gill 16 Replies latest jw friends

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  Mary

  I get extremely aggrevated at people who try denying the Holocaust by saying that it was all fabricated. Then again, the idiots who believe that probably also believe that Elvis faked his own death and has been working at Burger King for the last 25 year. I would recommend the book Denying the Holocaust : The Growing Assault on Truth and Memory by Deborah E. Lipstadt. It's an excellent read.

  And yes, the morons in charge of the WTB&TS are no different. They like to reinvent their own history, saying that certain things were never said, or they never really happened. Even when the articles are there in black and white for everyone to read, they simply continue to deny, deny, deny........
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  Gill

  Sadly, it appears that propaganda, much like advertising works. If someone wants to believe that something didn't happen or wasn't said, it doesn't matter how much evidence you can put in front of them they will still try to cling to version of 'the truth' that they want.

  The constant 'denial' thing that the WTBTS, Nazis do and criminals standing in a dock does work and that's why they do it.

  Some people feel more comfortable believing that some things just don't happen!

  Sad but unfortunately true!
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  Terry

  
  The Nazi's were fanatical record keepers. Their own documents survive. The building of the camps were according to specifications for the quantities of dead to be processed.
  
  

  Nothing was left to chance. Many experiments were conducted for the fastest and most efficient kill.

  The disposal of the bodies and the looting of belongings was not left to chance either. Everything was listed in excruciating detail.

  Even the meeting of the high officials to approve the final solution where the details were worked out survive.

  Germans had (and still have) a high reputation for accuracy of detail in what they design and build. The fact we have their documents goes a long way toward establishing the veracity of claims made for who died and how many.

  Details of the Nuremberg Trials sifted and parsed these documents ad nauseum. Many more have come to light in the intervening years.

  It has been the determined efforts of anti-semites to cast aspersions whenever and wherever they can by suggesting rumors, errors and lies where none can be sufficiently documented.

  This is the same ploy as the people who insist the U.S. never sent any humans to the Moon, but, only faked the moonlanding. You can find websites devoted to raising questions about this and that.

  For the person who wishes to be persuaded; that is quite enough to convince them. But, the intellectually honest individual will not stop there.

  It isn't enough to suggest an error in something which destroys the credibility of a person or a people; the exact details must be presented honestly for others to weigh and examine.

  Terry
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  seeitallclearlynow

  Hey, Terry, check your pms please sir!
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  Ellie

  I was talking to my brother the other day, hes an unbaptised publisher, he was basically moaning about the congregation and I mentioned to him about JWD, he then went into a big long speach about how the internet is "Satan's tool".

  Just a few minutes later, the conversation shifted slightly and he revieled that he is getting the internet installed next week.
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  Gill

  Ellie - That's so funny and so JW! I'm still smiling now!

  The 'Internet is Satan's tool' is so Ludite and yet...well it amazes me. Many of my relatives and former associates who are JWs have the internet. They use it for banking, shopping, research, booking holidays and believe all the information on it. Yet if they were to stumble across the United Nations site that lists the WTBTS as one of it's members they would be certain that Satan had planted these lies!!

  Too funny and too sad! Perhaps they really need to believe that they'll live forever because they sell WTBTS literature. But how funny is that?
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  Hellrider

  Skyman!

  For ex: history say's more Jew were killed than there was actual jews alive at the time ;millions survided. ;Proof for this is taken taken from actual census before the war. The gas chambers said it have killed so many Jews have been studied and the Gas chambers would not of done the job of killing them.

  You are wrong! These exact arguments are what the "revisionists" say, I have discussed a lot with them, because I used to have very right-wing sympathies! Yes, you all heard me, I used to be...well, not a nazi, but very right wing. I am still very much against immigration, especially from moslme countries, but I don`t consider myself extreme right-wing anymore. About the arguments you mentioned! "Revisionists" (is a pseudo-science, by the way) base your first point, "that there weren`t even 6 million jews in Europe at that time" on population statistics that are many decades old. Modern research shows that the jewish population of the world before 1939 was around 16.5 million. Around 10 million of these lived in Europe at that time!

  In your second point, you didn`t even get the argument right! Noone, not even the most hardcore nazi/revisionist has ever claimed that the gas chambers couldn`t have gotten the job done. The argument is that the crematoria ovens couldn`t have gotten the job done! And they are wrong! If you`d like, I can explain you why (it takes time, though, it`s a big issue). Please be more careful where you get your sources!

  The facts are: Noone knows exactly how many jews dies in the Holocaust! - but it is more probable that more than the estimated 5.5 million died, than fewer! In the occupied, eastern territories alone, the Einsatzgruppen (A,B,C and D, in total approximately 3000 men, serving under SS-commando) killed 1.5 million people (jews and political commisars) by shooting! another 4.5 million is estimated to have died in the death camps, of these, around 2 million died from disease, starvation and sporadic executions/hanging etc. The rest (mostly women and children under the age of 12) died in the gas chamber. In Auschwitz-Birkenau, Treblinka, Sobibor, Belzek and Majdanek, children and their mothers, along with old people, were liquidated immediately after arrival.