A thinking, reasoning person........

by wordlywife 30 Replies latest jw friends

  • Honesty
    Honesty

    How can they support shunning as scriptural?

    Luke 15:11-32 (HCSB)

    The Parable of the Lost Son

    11 He also said: “A man had two sons. 12 The younger of them said to his father, ‘Father, give me the share of the estate I have coming to me.’ So he distributed the assetsto them. 13 Not many days later, the younger son gathered together all he had and traveled to a distant country, where he squandered his estate in foolish living. 14 After he had spent everything, a severe famine struck that country, and he had nothing. 15 Then he went to work forone of the citizens of that country, who sent him into his fields to feed pigs. 16 He longed to eat his fill from the carob podsthe pigs were eating, but no one would give him any. 17 When he came to his senses,he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired hands have more than enough food, and here I am dyingof hunger! 18 I’ll get up, go to my father, and say to him, Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight. 19 I’m no longer worthy to be called your son. Make me like one of your hired hands.’ 20 So he got up and went to his father. But while the son was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion. He ran, threw his arms around his neck,and kissed him. 21 The son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight. I’m no longer worthy to be called your son.’

    22 “But the father told his slaves, ‘Quick! Bring out the best robe and put it on him; put a ring on his fingerand sandals on his feet. 23 Then bring the fattened calf and slaughter it, and let’s celebrate with a feast, 24 because this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found!’ So they began to celebrate.

    25 “Now his older son was in the field; as he came near the house, he heard music and dancing. 26 So he summoned one of the servants and asked what these things meant. 27 ‘Your brother is here,’ he told him, ‘and your father has slaughtered the fattened calf because he has him back safe and sound.’

    28 “Then he became angry and didn’t want to go in. So his father came out and pleaded with him. 29 But he replied to his father, ‘Look, I have been slaving many years for you, and I have never disobeyed your orders, yet you never gave me a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends. 30 But when this son of yours came, who has devoured your assetswith prostitutes, you slaughtered the fattened calf for him.’

    31 “ ‘Son,’he said to him, ‘you are always with me, and everything I have is yours. 32 But we had to celebrate and rejoice, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ ”

  • Finally-Free
    Finally-Free
    "a thinking, reasoning person"

    A "thinking, reasoning person" wouldn't constantly parrot the society's loaded language. They'd be able to think and reason for themselves, and put their comments into their own words.

    Thinking, reasoning persons don't join authoritarian, abusive cults.

    W

  • jeeprube
    jeeprube

    Oh man I love the prodigal son parable! It really allows us to see just how much love God has for us all! The fact that it is completly out of line with Watchtower policies shows just how wrong they are. The Watchtower shows itself to be more like the Pharasees, and the Sanhedrin than the Father of the Prodigal Son!

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    Your husband is not a thinking, reasoning person.

  • kls
    kls
    said love for God has to be greater than love for your children

    No ,what it is is so he can save his own ass when the end comes . He is thinking only of himself and his own mortality

  • outnfree
    outnfree

    WW -- you have a tough road to hoe!

    I think I would handle this by telling your JW husband that you will NOT, EVER, shun his daughter and that she is welcome in your home always. And then invite her to your home and tell her that. This may rile your husband, but you are an unbelieving mate and do not consider yourself in subjection to him, and you will be putting action to your words about how awful you believe shunning to be. It may also give him an "out" as far as being in contact with his daughter. Perhaps don't invite her for meals, at first, just a chat and a cup of tea. Let her "hang around". (All this assuming she does not live with the two of you already?) He probably won't eat with her and she will just be hurt by his not appearing at table. Shop with her, go to the beauty parlor with her, and come back to your place with parcels and new looks, for a snack.

    If all else fails -- withhold sex! j/k! But you might want to tell him you're having a hard time loving him when he is being so unloving to his own flesh and blood. (1 JOHN 4:7-8, 20-21 "Beloved ones, let us continue loving one another, because love is from God, and everyone who loves has been born from God, and gains knowledge of God. He that does not love has not come to know God, because God is love. ... If anyone makes the statement: 'I love God,' and yet is hating his brother, he is a liar. For he who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot be loving God, whom he has not seen. And this commandment we have from him, that the one who loves God should be loving his brother also.")

    outnfree

  • anewme
    anewme

    20 years in the JW cult does not necessarily lead to advanced spiritual enlightenment.

  • I quit!
    I quit!

    JWs are quite good at manipulaing their rules. Over the years I have seen JWs do the same thing here in Calif that Midwich has seen in England. They leave the old spouse for a new one, party for a while, go back with their tail between their legs. Do their time and presto! They got what they wanted. What I never see is any concern for the damage they cause to their family and friends. You just can't dump your wife and kids then wonder why the kids are having problems. I don't no what his daughters problem is but I would bet that his behavior contributed to it. For that alone you would think he would be wanting to help her in her situation rather than judge her and slam the door in her face. But there is no reasoning with a JW. They have all the answers because the WT has all the answers. I can only see your situation getting worse unless your husband starts doubting the Watchtower. Is he open to look at anything that would paint the WT in a negative light?

  • logansrun
    logansrun

    So, you really should be an emotional, illogical idiot?

    B.

  • wordlywife
    wordlywife

    He actually had written a letter of disassociation this Spring but I found it in the trash a month or so later. I know he has problems with it sometimes, because of how he was treated many years ago and about things kept from him about his own daughter. Even at her JC meeting he said to me he was unhappy with them making some sort of blanket stament about the situation and he told the elders they should know better? To me that sounds like he is tellng THEM how it should be, definitely not follow the leader mentality.

    I can't stand the WT and all the "publications"............

    WW

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