My Bible Study

by slimboyfat 28 Replies latest jw friends

  • Gopher
    Gopher
    According to Hebrews 4:13 There is not a creation that is not manifest to his sight, but all things are naked and openly exposed to the eyes of him with whom we have an accounting.

    So whatever your planning, dont waste your time, for it will fail because Jehovah God and his son Jesus knows!

    Two things -- first of all your post indicates that you believe God and Jesus are the same singular person, because you used the singular form "knows" after the subject "Jehovah God and his son Jesus". So if you don't believe the Trinity, your wording supports a belief in the "Twinity". Secondly, I know of someone else who sees all and knows all. Here's a song about him:

    Oh! You better watch out
    You better not cry
    You better not pout I'm telling you why
    Santa Claus is coming to town

    He's making a list
    Checking it twice
    Gonna find out who's naughty or nice
    Santa Claus is coming to town

    He sees you when you're sleeping
    He knows when you're awake
    He knows if you've been bad or good
    So be good for goodness sake!

    So! You better watch out
    Oh! You better watch out
    You better not cry
    You better not pout, I'm telling you why
    Santa Claus is coming
    Santa Claus is coming
    Santa Claus is coming to town!

    Santa's not going to be very nice to Slimboyfat if he keeps sneaking around.

  • ezekiel3
    ezekiel3

    defd says: please i dont not want ot talk to any apostates or disfellowshipped people...Only faithful witness in good standing id talk to. And i will know whos who in a matter of time

    Source

  • Apathy
    Apathy

    Santa = Stalker

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    At least you wont have to be baptised again

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/84969/1.ashx

  • Confession
    Confession

    defd,

    I've seen several posts from you and thought I'd share my newfound discoveries with you. I'm sure you're open to at least reading them, since you're frequenting and even contributing here. I notice you've actually contributed more than three times the number of posts than I have.

    I am a third generation Jehovah's Witness, with my daughter and her cousins being of the fourth generation. There are more than thirty members of my family who are Witnesses, my grandmother having started it all back in the early forties. Two of my family members (including my Father) profess to be of the anointed. I served the congregation as an elder for some time, giving public talks far and wide throughout my region. As an organization minded Witness, I was the one who would help other friends (including my fellow elders) when they began having doubts or speculated on things. I didn't appreciate opportunistic faultfinders--those who'd always be jumping at the chance to point fingers and accuse the organization of "not doing things right." Despite this, after finding a few very troubling things within the organization, I finally did something I never imagined doing: I gave the organization I'd been so dedicated to a fair-minded, objective investigation.

    Although we may claim that we do this all the time as JWs, unless we are truly willing to be "objective," we may find ourselves adopting a policy that is neither helpful to us nor scriptural. Just as the Bible writer wrote, "Let God be true," we may come to believe we should, "Let the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society be true," always looking for some justification to find them correct--without truly having been "objective." I'm now convinced that I used to do this, and that this is a wholly wrong thing to do.

    Would Jehovah have excused individuals of the nation of Israel who went right along with the evil kings of their time? What did Jesus have to say about so many of the people within the various congregations in the first century--the ones he spoke sharply to in Revelation? Just as the Watchtower Society itself teaches you that 'being a Witness does not mean you're automatically going to be swept right along into the new system,' it's also true that if the Watchtower Society is leading its followers in ways Jehovah would greatly disapprove of, those individuals have the responsibility not to let that happen to them or their families. Think of all of the faithful servants of Jehovah--not of an organization--who were used by Him to call attention to the false worship of their time. I invite you to read a few excerpts from "Does God Work Through an Organization," by Tom Cabeen.

    After W.W.II the Nazi organization never went on trial for war crimes. Individuals did. An organization cannot commit nor be punished for crimes. It bears no accountability. People do. Jesus said that when he would return he would separate the goats from the sheep. He would base his judgment on personal conduct rather than loyalty to an organization or belief structure.

    For example, Elijah thought that he was the only person left that did not bow down to Baal. God said that He had 7,000 in Israel that had not bowed down to him. Those faithful persons would doubtless have been considered disloyal to the anointed king that was in power. Yet they were obviously not organized into any type of group.

    Throughout the entire pre-Christian period, the Bible mentions faithful individuals who were loyal to God, regardless of whether the nation's leaders were faithful. This was true right up until Jesus appeared. A righteous prophet named Simeon saw the young child Jesus, in fulfillment of a prophecy given him by the Holy Spirit. A faithful prophetess named Anna is also mentioned.

    defd, after looking at all the evidence objectively--and praying earnestly, I came to a conclusion that is so obvious I can't believe I never saw it before. Whether you now realize it or not, the Watchtower Society has created a situation in which it is requiring its adherents to give the organization a more prominent position than Jehovah or Jesus Christ.

    As you yourself showed from your post...

    According to Hebrews 4:13 There is not a creation that is not manifest to his sight, but all things are naked and openly exposed to the eyes of him with whom we have an accounting.

    This being the case, what do we have to fear in looking at all the information available about this organization of Jehovah's Witnesses? If we are truly "in the Truth," should we have to fear the light? Note what they've written in the The Truth That Leads to Eternal Life, 1968, p. 13...

    "We need to examine, not only what we personally believe, but also what is taught by any religious organization with which we may be associated. Are its teachings in full harmony with God's Word, or are they based on the traditions of men? If we are lovers of the truth, there is nothing to fear from such an examination."

    Yet you and I both know that the Society takes an entirely different stance on doing exactly the same thing when it has to do with its own teachings. Note the Watchtower 1986 March 15 pp.10-15 “Do Not Be Quickly Shaken From Your Reason”...

    7 Now, what will you do if you are confronted with apostate teaching—subtle reasonings—claiming that what you believe as one of Jehovah's Witnesses is not the truth? For example, what will you do if you receive a letter or some literature, open it, and see right away that it is from an apostate? Will curiosity cause you to read it, just to see what he has to say? You may even reason: 'It won't affect me; I'm too strong in the truth. And, besides, if we have the truth, we have nothing to fear. The truth will stand the test.' In thinking this way, some have fed their minds upon apostate reasoning and have fallen prey to serious questioning and doubt.

    So, although the WTS encourages a thorough and open-minded examination of the things taught by a religion, this only applies to religions other than their own. Any suggestion that “what you believe as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses is not the truth” MUST be considered—not an open minded examination—but instead the devious propaganda of apostates. The reasoning encouraged by the Watchtower Society requires the dogmatic rejection of any possibility that “what you believe as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses is not the truth.” I consider this out of harmony with the scriptures.

    (2 Corinthians 13:5) Keep testing whether YOU are in the faith, keep proving what YOU yourselves are. Or do YOU not recognize that Jesus Christ is in union with YOU?

    Sorry about the length of this post. (I tend to go long even when I don't want to!) But, defd, you owe it to yourself and to Almighty God to deeply consider all of the information, not just what the Watchtower Society tells you is okay. Placing your trust in an organization is a course entirely out of harmony with God's Word.

    Best Wishes

  • vitty
    vitty


    confession

    That was an excellent post, I hope Defd reads and considers it honestly

  • Sunspot
    Sunspot

    ***Any suggestion that what you believe as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses is not the truth MUST be considered not an open minded examination but instead the devious propaganda of apostates. The reasoning encouraged by the Watchtower Society requires the dogmatic rejection of any possibility that what you believe as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses is not the truth. I consider this out of harmony with the scriptures.

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    IMO, it stands to reason that any set of beliefs that are considered a "religion", and especially one as young as the WTS is, would have to undergo certain scrutiny to be otherwise acceptable in the public eye.

    The fact that it has "come on the scene" and goes about telling adherents of any other religion that IT is THE ONLY RELIGION that God favors, and that others are all led by Satan---this religion MUST be able to withstand any intense scrutiny that anyone is able to employ.

    While the WTS is making all these claims, it also has changed its teachings and beliefs several times, while at the same time, insisting to its members that they MUST accept whatever they are teaching "at present" is as "food from God" himself, and must be viewed as such.

    The mere fact that a JW is forbidden to look into any research unless it is WTS-approved, proves that it is not complying with the scriptures that would allow any in-depth examination of its everchanging beliefs. The entire idea of being restricted in this shows that the WTS has more to hide in what would be found.

    This poses a real danger to the WTS itself more than to the individual doing the research, and looking to satisfy his trust in these beliefs, as the individual is looking to verify what he has been told. The WTS is desperately trying to preserve a cocoon-like atmosphere where all JWs will be trusting ONLY in what their present beliefs are, what thier leaders are now claiming, and what is currently running off the presses at the moment.

    The WTS is clever and crafty and allows the JW to "think" that he is "making sure of the more important things", while these "more important things" are always WTS based. It takes a "mature thinker" to be able to stand back and critically review the facts and then discern what the WTS is doing, and why.

    Annie

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff
    According to Hebrews 4:13 There is not a creation that is not manifest to his sight, but all things are naked and openly exposed to the eyes of him with whom we have an accounting.

    So whatever your planning, dont waste your time, for it will fail because Jehovah God and his son Jesus knows!

    defd - you are correct in that God and Jesus know what is going on - that the WTBTS has allowed thousands to die due to misapplication of scripture, has lied to witnesses about dates and times, has wrongly defended and covered for child molesters, has joined the harlot on the back of the UN, ect, ect. Slimboyfat - if he truly is trying to 'infiltrate' and bring some out of this Sodomlike organization will be blessed by God. You seem to think that God is blessing the 'Lie'? I hope SBF can get in and 'apostasize' a whole congregation. Jesus will rejoice at that! Witnesses might come out and start to be Christians. Hallelluiah! Jeff

  • defd
    defd

    Confession

    I understand what you are saying in your post and to some degree i agree. But what are you ACTUALLY saying to me? Leave the truth? Stop going to the Kingdom hall? What is your suggestion?

    D.

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost
    it will fail because Jehovah God and his son Jesus knows

    defd;

    How interesting! Let me get this straight - both Jehovah and Jesus know, eh? So, do they know the same things? Is there anything the Son knows that the Father does not? and vice versa of course.

    By bracketing the two, you seem to be stating that Jehovah and Jesus are one in what they know. How interesting!

    Y'know, I have a son and there are many things he knows that I don't and there are many things I know that he doesn't. Yet you are saying that Jehovah as the Father and Jesus as the Son know the same things. You wouldn't be acknowledging that they are in fact One, would you?

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